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You must have at least one book, on how to conduct the ceremonies and rituals. Surely you guys don't commit it all to memory!

I hate to bust your bubble here, but there in fact no real great big secrets in the Masonic lodge.

Unlike our Catholic friends, Masons don't worship statues or icons of any sort.

Who's talking "real big secrets"? I'm just talking firsthand documentation. OK, little bitty secrets. But what on earth do you actually say in an initiation? In a ceremony? In an oath? Even XXXing out the specific names and passwords, can I find the rest of it somewhere on the web? Or would a Mason's spilling the beans on this cause him to have his heart torn out by jackals?

Unlike our Catholic friends, Masons don't worship statues or icons of any sort.

ooh... you are going to catch looooooooooooots of flames for that one

Why are you so afraid of Masonry? But don't worry, we won't invite you to join.

(1) I am hardly afraid of Masonry, any more than I am afraid of Buddhism. However, I do not regard either as compatible with being a Catholic. (2) I have had my opportunities to join, and would have no problem doing so if that was what I wanted. It isn’t.

(3) You still refuse to address the issues. You refuse to provide any support for your claims. After previously trying to change the subject from your Church’s non-Christian oaths, and Rites (not to mention its secrecy) to issues like pedophilia, you now attempt to change the subject to my supposed fears.

It is a pathetic group indeed that cannot defend its practices, but must resort to attacking others instead of explaining and supporting its doctrine.

What is the ritual for becoming a 33rd degree Mason, for example?
I wouldn't know. I am only a 32nd degree. The 33rd degree is reserved for those who have exhbitited great service to the order.

Well, OK. I thought the Masons were open now. You are saying that you, as a 32nd degree Mason, can’t even get the Rite for the 33rd degree? So much for openness.

Where did Christ ever say, go into the world and make it Catholic?

Changing the subject yet again? All that chatter, and yet to post a single rite, or any support for your claims.

You have no idea of what you speak.

Well, see, you could cure that by posting the actual Rites used. But you refuse, you keep changing the subject.

And would you please address the issue of child molesting priests.

No. There have been a 1000 threads on that issue, and I have addressed it there. This thread is about your church, much to your dismay. Do you care to defend your faith, or is that impossible?

If you would allow priests to marry as the first priests and popes were, you might not have such a big problem in the Catholic church as you do today. You might consider tackling that problem and not worry about the Masons so much.

LOL. You really can’t defend Masonry at all can you?

And you are a 32nd degree Mason? You guys are in trouble, if this is the best defense you have.

I hate to bust your bubble here, but there in fact no real great big secrets in the Masonic lodge.

Then post the Rites. Oh wait, you’re a 32nd degree mason but don’t know the Rite for the 33rd? Isn’t that a secret then?

Unlike our Catholic friends, Masons don't worship statues or icons of any sort.

Ah yes, more bigotry. All I ask you to do is post your Rites to defend you faith. I don’t accuse you of a single thing. Yet, you keep ranting about us and making stuff up. Catholics don’t worship statues, as anyone with any sense knows. Your efforts to change the subject know no bounds.

The funny thing is, if you were correct about this, then you would have proven that Catholicism and Masonry are incompatible, for if your claim is true that "Unlike our Catholic friends, Masons don't worship statues or icons of any sort" then you would have made it entirely clear that one faith had elements that simply couldn't be joined by members of the other. Fortunately for your larger arguement, you are wrong.

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