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To: White Mountain
They merely recycle the same old accusations in order to keep their accusation machine running day and night.

It sounds like they keep asking the same questions trying to get an answer to them, instead of an answer to something that wasn't asked.


I have asked, in this thread I think, quite nicely, to have some LDS organization member point out to me just where the Nicrene CREED is heretical. No one has respounded to my request.

Are you willing to do so?

135 posted on 12/31/2003 3:01:42 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Elsie
Your #135: where the Nicrene CREED is heretical

This has come up a number of times on threads where you and I were posting. Maybe this will jog your memory:

People have said that the creeds are merely summaries of Scripture. I have replied that creeds consisting of nothing but Scripture verses would be much better summaries. They also would not be controversial -- no one would have been burned at the stake on their account.

I have said that the problem with these uninspired creeds is that people lift them up above Scripture and say, "Accept these creeds or be cut off." Centuries ago it was by burning at the stake. That had the effect of riveting the creeds upon the minds of the general public, lest they suffer the same fate. Today people claim to cut others off from Christianity and salvation, which is blasphemy, because only God does that.

I have said that most of the phrases in the creeds are fine. The unBiblical zingers that are tossed in there are not.

I have said that my main issue with the Nicene Creed (the principal zinger) is the homoousios (same substance) phrase, usually translated: "of one being/substance with the Father". That was put in there, over the objections of those who said it was unBiblical, to leave the outvoted Arians no leg to stand on. It was a big lurch away from Scripture in one direction in order to keep the Arians from lurching away from Scripture in another direction, as they supposed.

139 posted on 12/31/2003 5:59:10 PM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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