Posted on 04/06/2003 5:26:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
Edited on 07/20/2004 11:48:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
My, how you must love your new little word. You use it in virtually every post complaining about how the "paleocons" are the blame for everything.
Bwa-ha! I bet this thread is 150 posts long within a couple of hours.
You know, if they decided to put up a statue of The Great Stainmaker on Pennsylvania Ave, you would probably react negatively. And then someone like Elenor Clift would come along and call you a "Clinton-hater." Fact, not spin, is what would count for you regarding Clinton. He was probably a swell guy, if you would just overlook all the money he stole, the people he had killed or destroyed, and the lies he told. But you wouldn't overlook it.
ML/NJ
A great man. A great American.
Well, so did Jefferson Davis. Are you suggesting that his statue come down too?
If it weren't for him, every son of Dixie might be the cabana boy/fellater for Sheik Saud Mohammed bin Sola bim.
Lincoln muscled to defeat any prospect of a very popular Senate redistribution, property and wealth grab from the recently rejoined states of the union.
No good deed goes unpunished.
One deserves to be remembered for his sacrifice.
One sacrificed the country and should get what he deserves.
Any questions?
Lincoln would not permit that.
So ... South Carolina is still South Carolina. Alabama is still uniquely Alabama. Mississippi can't never be anything but Ole Miss, Georgia is Peachy ....
You owe thanks to Abe.
No, I don't. Oh I know of the death threats and Lincoln travelling to Washington incognito, but he left his family behind in Philadelphia when he travelled on to D.C. Mrs. Lincoln and the boys joined him a day or two later after he arrived and long after his presence in Washington was known. The idea that he used them as bait is nonsense. Check out any biography of Lincoln for the details.
I've read a fair amount of history, but I don't remember ever hearing that Lincoln hoped the train carrying his wife would be attacked.
But even if true, from what I've read of his wife, it's understandable.
So Lincoln is still a great man.
What else you got?
Sheeesh.
Let's consider these statements.
I would suggest that Lincoln effectively destroyed the government created by Jefferson and Madison. Recently I had conversation with a prominent "Civil War" historian who speaks highly of Lincoln. I made this point to him, and his reply was, "Well, he had help." That's some defense!
The preface to James McPherson's Abraham Lincoln and the Second American Revolution begins thusly:
Four years after the guns fell silent at Appomattox, Harvard historian George Ticknor reflected on the meaning of the Civil War. That national trauma had riven " a great gulf between what had happened before in our century and what has happened since, or what is likely to happen hereafter. It does not seem to me as if I were living in the country in which I was born." (emphasis added)What was Harvard Historian Ticknor talking about do you suppose? There were no slaves at Harvard. None of it's buildings was destroyed during the war. No troops occupied Cambridge before, during, or after the war. Apparently something wasn't preserved in Ticknor's mind. What could that something have been?
Now as for giving his life, I wonder if you would say JFK gave his life for his country. I wouldn't. I'd say he was assassinated. It's too bad, but he was assassinated. Lincoln made other give their lives for his country. There is a difference.
ML/NJ
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