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RUMSFELD UNDER FIRE(Wesley Clark has accused Rumsfeld of putting troops at risk )
SKY NEWS ^ | 03/26/2003 | SKYNEWS

Posted on 03/26/2003 8:08:17 PM PST by KQQL

The former supreme allied commander of Nato has accused US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of putting allied troops at risk through poor planning.

Wesley Clark said Mr Rumsfeld's insistence on a smaller invasion force had left troops vulnerable and the 300-mile oil supply line between Kuwait and Basra open to guerilla attack.

Troops had been tied up in "messy fighting" around Nasiriyah and Baghdad, he said, leading to "logistics problems".

He added that hopes of a quick victory spurred by a popular revolt against Saddam had been dashed.

"The simple fact is that the liberation didn't quite occur. They didn't rise up."

Other war veterans have also spoken out against the early stages of war planning.

Miscalculations

Ralph Peters, a military scientist and former Army officer, wrote in the Washington Post that a coalition victory would be achieved "despite serious strategic miscalculations by the office of the Defence Secretary".

The "shock and awe" strategy of aerial bombardment had failed to shatter the will of Saddam's regime, he said, and if anything had encouraged greater resistance.

"It delayed essential attacks on Iraq's military capabilities," said Mr Peters. "This encouraged at least some Iraqis in uniform to believe they had a chance to fight and win.

"Now our forces advancing on Baghdad face the possibility of more serious combat than would otherwise have been the case."

Coalition commander General Tommy Franks's draft invasion plan proposed using four or five heavy divisions moving slowly towards Baghdad.

New warfare

Mr Rumsfeld is said to have rejected this, complaining that it was too similar to the strategy used in the 1991 Gulf War. Instead he insisted on a smaller, lighter force relying heavily on special forces and air power.

Retired US Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said Mr Rumsfeld had ignored warnings that he was underestimating the number of troops needed.

"I think he thought these were generals with feet planted in World War Two who didn't understand the new way of warfare," he said.

"If the Iraqis actually fight it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take a couple to 3,000 casualties."

Mr Rumsfeld insisted his strategy was working.

"It's a good plan everybody agrees to, and it is a plan that in four and a half or five days has moved ground forces to within a short distance of Baghdad."


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To: faithincowboys
Did we win any muslim friends by defeating the european christians?

no, we just freed up the muslim fighters to go elsewhere.

Bingo!

81 posted on 03/26/2003 8:41:09 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
20-20 hindasssight.
82 posted on 03/26/2003 8:41:19 PM PST by Beck_isright (V is for VICTORY....I love the smell of napalm in the morning..or an E-bomb)
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To: info_scout
U.S. sending frantically adjusting deployments and dispatching emergency reenforcements. Not a pretty picture.

What are you, one of Clarks bunkie buddies? This statement is total BS!

83 posted on 03/26/2003 8:41:40 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Red Dog #1
I hear you. Pathetic isn't it. The media is the problem. Even FoxNews is beginning to introduce comments like, "So and so now says we're talking months instead of days..."

I think the American public has more patience than these "pretty boys and girls".

84 posted on 03/26/2003 8:42:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: KQQL
Wesley Clark said Mr Rumsfeld's insistence on a smaller invasion force had left troops vulnerable and the 300-mile oil supply line between Kuwait and Basra open to guerilla attack.

This is typical Democratic Party mantra for the masses, "more bodies are better." Just how do you clear a congested battlefield overloaded with too many soldiers under attack from chemical weapons? More soldiers means more confusion. The Democrats know that this kind of thinking, more is better, sells to the stupid masses that support them.

Remember how Clinton added 100,000 cops to America's streets. Shortly afterwards four white New York cops unloaded 41 bullets into a black immigrant who was pulling keys out of his pocket to go into his apartment building. It turned out that three of the cops had only been on the force for less than six months, Clinton dogs. Less cops and stronger enforcement from the courts would go further to clean up the mess. Clinton’s idea of more cops is consistent with a lack of will to enforce the law.

More soldiers would be the same. Too many cooks spoil the soup. This passes over the heads of career government hacks like Clinton. Thank god we have Rumsfeld who has worked in both the private and public sector. Rumsfeld is right. Pound the crap out of the Iraqis from the air and then send in a small ground force to do the dirty ground work of extracting dug in resistance.

85 posted on 03/26/2003 8:42:59 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: KQQL
Unbelievable!

This guy (Clark) was the Clintonista/NATO general in charge of the Serbian War, a war disputed to this day as to the necessity of that action.

He's considering running for President in '04 as a Dimocrat. He is a paid CNN 'expert.'

Clark is a viscous Daschle-type schill, willing to skewer President Bush at any turn for personal and/or Dimocrat gain.

Whatever you think on what I just said, please critique Clark closely, both as a fmr. NATO Supreme Commander and as a current politico-wannabe, and make up your own mind.

86 posted on 03/26/2003 8:43:18 PM PST by citizen
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To: KQQL
You can count on it!!
87 posted on 03/26/2003 8:43:36 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: DoughtyOne
I think Rummy has been right on this. This blitzing run towards Baghdad has caught Saddam & Co. off guard. Maybe this is why our forces have been able to cross just about every bridge in Iraq safely. Every strategy has its downside but reinforcements are on the way and casualties to date have been extraordinarily low. What's transpired to date is nothing short of SUCCESS.
88 posted on 03/26/2003 8:44:22 PM PST by WRhine
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To: KQQL
The Dept. of Defense is solving the number of troops problem.

The greater problem, now, is that we must move into the towns in order to support any uprisings.

We must prove that we are committed to facing the worst. It's going to get very bloody for us.

The Iraqis who desire their freedom and have the courage to fight, need to see us stand by them.

89 posted on 03/26/2003 8:44:51 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: KQQL
Everyone who is saying things aren't going well are wrong. Frankly, I can't think (of the top of my head) of any campaign in modern or ancient history that has gone better (so far).

However. That said, I have been concerned about Rum's insistance that the military think "outside the box." What's wrong with that? Simple, we are masters of the box. So why change it.

I wonder if old fashioned "blow everything up" would be better than "reall cool tactics."
90 posted on 03/26/2003 8:45:24 PM PST by TheLooseThread
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To: KQQL
In my opinion Wesley Clark is a war criminal and a very unstable person. He wanted to go to war with Russia.
91 posted on 03/26/2003 8:46:41 PM PST by Pushi
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To: wirestripper
101st units needed up north needed up north are being diverted south to deal with the resistance effort in the south. If you missed the news, infantry and mechanized units are scrambling to get to southern Irag. It is a debacle in the making'.'
92 posted on 03/26/2003 8:47:32 PM PST by info_scout
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To: Burkeman1
RE the Serbian War......But hey- Clinton was President. Doesn't that just tell all?

So true.......pity we can't bomb the NYTimes et. al.

93 posted on 03/26/2003 8:47:49 PM PST by citizen
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To: WRhine
The interesting thing is that few know how many troups are in the field. Clark certainly doesn't. He doesn't know the plan. He doesn't know where they are deployed.

All I know is that so far, that which is there has been enough.

94 posted on 03/26/2003 8:48:34 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: jbind
I don't believe this is so. When he came out of the meetings with Congress today, he admitted he didn't know what was going on because he had been tied up all day and was not up-to-date.
95 posted on 03/26/2003 8:50:21 PM PST by Pushi
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To: philetus
there were a series of mistakes, including the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.

The bombing of the Chinese Embassy was NO mistake!

"I'm not going to start the Third World War for you," the British commander reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.

General Jackson overruled Gen Clark by refusing to send troops to stop Russian forces taking control of Pristina airport.

Jackson appealed KLArk's order to political superiors in the British Government who gave him permission to ignore KLArk's command. Apparently that is standard NATO procedure.

96 posted on 03/26/2003 8:50:47 PM PST by F-117A
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To: KQQL
LORD, GOD,

PLEASE Add Ramsey Clark to the list of those who need to be removed from public life ASAP.

He's lonnnnnng overdue, Lord, IMHO.

You are our only hope against these traitorous, destructive idiots, Lord. Please have mercy on us and
effect such a change in your wisdom and will ASAP.

In Jesus' Name,
Amen.
98 posted on 03/26/2003 8:51:05 PM PST by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: KQQL
only time will tell who is right here, unfortunately, if Rumsfeld is wrong, we will see a lot of casualties...

Rumsfeld thinks the iraqis are like the taliban, they will all throw up their hands and run...

and if they don't - well, we got big problems..

shock and awe is nothing but shockingly awful, imo...

Rumsfeld measures his success on how fast, how far we penetrate into iraq...somehow, for those who have friends and family serving in the theater now, the only measure of success is can they get their love ones back home safe and sound...

only time will tell...

the doctrine of using the full might of the US military is being thrown away by Rumsfeld...he thinks air dominance alone will take care of the risks in the supply line...but, can air power alone be sufficient to protect the supply line when the attackers are driving in small pickup trucks and work in small bands...

I sure don't want to be in Rummy's shoes...but then again, if he screws up, he can still retire as a rich man in New Mexico...and he couldn't care less...

99 posted on 03/26/2003 8:51:13 PM PST by FRgal4u
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To: KQQL
When BG Clark was the Commander of the National Training Center (NTC) at Fort Irwin, CA I always felt that he was there at the OK of Klinton. When he moved to Europe I
knew that he was a supporter of Klinton. I just wonder what that relationship was/is.
100 posted on 03/26/2003 8:51:28 PM PST by TaMoDee
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