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To: Con X-Poser
Why would someone offer the commie Chinese creature as a transition? Just because it has feathers? (That's *assuming* it's real, which has been a bad assumption to have about the Chinese fossils in the past).

Yes, Archaeoraptor, which you only found out about because a palaeontologist caught the fraud within two months. If these "whores of evolution" were so intent on spreading a lie, why did they expose this fraudulent fossil so quickly? Meanwhile, the creationists are still selling tickets to the Paluxy river tracks and claiming the Grand Canyon was cut by Noah's flood.

Feathered dinos would be classified as lizards based on skeletal features. If platypus isn't transitional, then the commie Chinese creature shouldn't be claimed as such.

Feathered dinos are classed as dinos, not lizards. The platypus isn't transitional between ducks and mammals. Its a remnant of group of mammals that are extinct apart from the 3 living species.

How come it's the only mammal with a bill? Do other mammals lack teats and lay eggs? How many other furry mammals have venemous spikes?

Because its the only platypus species remaining. If all deer species had died out except for the moose, the moose would be the only antler-bearing species on earth. The underlying bone structure of the "beak" is identical in both platypus and echidna, except that the echidna's is narrow and cylindrical. As regards mammals lacking teats and laying eggs, yes there are two other species, the echidnas. These three species are the sole remnants of the primitive mammal subclass, the Monotremes. The young hatch from the soft-shelled eggs after only 10 days, after which the vast majority of their development (platypus - 4 months, echidna - 6 months) takes place in a pouch where they feed on milk, just like marsupials. While they do not have teats, they still secrete milk, like all other mammals. The male platypus has functioning poisonous spikes, the echidna's spikes have lost their function. These species are not transitional in that they are direct links between other species, but they are specialized remnants of a group of mammals that arose before the placentals and marsupials, the two other major groups of living mammals, and still retain the more primitve egg-laying and teatless methods of reproduction and nurturing, so we can say with confidence that lactation, fur, the dentary-squamosal jaw and the three-bone inner ear all evolved before the retention of the eggs in the uterus.

Hey - that's what I've been saying. Glad you agree.

No, either you're trying to be smart, or you've missed the point. The feathered dinosaurs are classed as transitional because the rest of their skeletons support the hypothesis, not just the feathers alone.

Pigeonhole - that's an appropriate word to use for a bird (provided archy isn't another fraud).

Ah, so you're adamant the Archie is a bird? Why don't you take the time to compare it to the skeleton of a bird (and one of those feathered dinosaurs).

And keep shouting "fraud". That'll make it go away.

635 posted on 03/15/2003 5:07:48 AM PST by Youngblood
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To: Youngblood; Jael
<< Meanwhile, the creationists are still selling tickets to the Paluxy river tracks >>

At the risk of being moderated for speaking the truth - you are a liar. I just returned from the Paluxy. The ones charging to see the tracks are the fine evolutionists at the Dinosaur Valley National Park. The McFall family didn't sell us any tickets to investigate the river bed on their farm, but we did give them a voluntary offering when we were finished, since the tracks there put the National Park to shame.

Dino Valley is on the verge of going under, because they don't have enough tracks to generate interest. Most of them have eroded.

With the backing of the gov't, they easily could remove some of the limestone layers to expose more tracks and shelter them to prevent erosion, to make the Park profitable again. Similar excavation been done at McFall, with positive results, but with limited private funding and material. Why won't Dino Valley do it? Are they afraid of what else they might uncover besides dino tracks?

<< and claiming the Grand Canyon was cut by Noah's flood. >>

My next trip is to Mt. St. Helens, where a canyon much like the Grand Canyon WAS created by a flood in a matter of months. If the eruption wasn't observed, your friends would insist the Toutle River carved the canyon. Also, unless rivers flow uphill, the Colorado River couldn't have carved the Grand Canyon.

<< Ah, so you're adamant the Archie is a bird? Why don't you take the time to compare it to the skeleton of a bird ... ? >>

I sure have. The skeletons had pneumatized vertebrate and pelvis (bones). This identifies both a cervical and abdominal air sac, present in modern birds. This indicates the unique avian one-way lung design which could not evolve into a two-way bellows system like ours without asphyxiating the poor bird.

<< Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth-bound, feathered dinosaur. But it’s not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of “paleobabble” is going to change that. >> Dr Alan Feduccia, world authority on birds at the UNC-Chapel Hill (and an evolutionist)

Archaeopteryx was a bird with fully-formed flying feathers and a wishbone.
637 posted on 03/15/2003 8:54:46 AM PST by Con X-Poser
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