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To: Youngblood; Jael
<< Meanwhile, the creationists are still selling tickets to the Paluxy river tracks >>

At the risk of being moderated for speaking the truth - you are a liar. I just returned from the Paluxy. The ones charging to see the tracks are the fine evolutionists at the Dinosaur Valley National Park. The McFall family didn't sell us any tickets to investigate the river bed on their farm, but we did give them a voluntary offering when we were finished, since the tracks there put the National Park to shame.

Dino Valley is on the verge of going under, because they don't have enough tracks to generate interest. Most of them have eroded.

With the backing of the gov't, they easily could remove some of the limestone layers to expose more tracks and shelter them to prevent erosion, to make the Park profitable again. Similar excavation been done at McFall, with positive results, but with limited private funding and material. Why won't Dino Valley do it? Are they afraid of what else they might uncover besides dino tracks?

<< and claiming the Grand Canyon was cut by Noah's flood. >>

My next trip is to Mt. St. Helens, where a canyon much like the Grand Canyon WAS created by a flood in a matter of months. If the eruption wasn't observed, your friends would insist the Toutle River carved the canyon. Also, unless rivers flow uphill, the Colorado River couldn't have carved the Grand Canyon.

<< Ah, so you're adamant the Archie is a bird? Why don't you take the time to compare it to the skeleton of a bird ... ? >>

I sure have. The skeletons had pneumatized vertebrate and pelvis (bones). This identifies both a cervical and abdominal air sac, present in modern birds. This indicates the unique avian one-way lung design which could not evolve into a two-way bellows system like ours without asphyxiating the poor bird.

<< Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth-bound, feathered dinosaur. But it’s not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of “paleobabble” is going to change that. >> Dr Alan Feduccia, world authority on birds at the UNC-Chapel Hill (and an evolutionist)

Archaeopteryx was a bird with fully-formed flying feathers and a wishbone.
637 posted on 03/15/2003 8:54:46 AM PST by Con X-Poser
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To: Con X-Poser
At the risk of being moderated for speaking the truth - you are a liar.

I was speaking figuratively, as in the creationists are promoting the Paluxy tracks as genuine human tracks. I suspect that you knew that, but just to satisfy you, I hereby agree that creationists are not literally charging customers to view the tracks. Happy now?

Why won't Dino Valley do it? Are they afraid of what else they might uncover besides dino tracks?

I don't know. But maybe you're right. Its all a giant conspiracy.

My next trip is to Mt. St. Helens, where a canyon much like the Grand Canyon WAS created by a flood in a matter of months. If the eruption wasn't observed, your friends would insist the Toutle River carved the canyon. Also, unless rivers flow uphill, the Colorado River couldn't have carved the Grand Canyon.

This canyon is on the same scale as the Grand Canyon? Perhaps you could provide some details about this uphill flow claim you're making?

This indicates the unique avian one-way lung design which could not evolve into a two-way bellows system like ours without asphyxiating the poor bird.

And it is claimed where exactly that the mammalian respiratory system evolved from that of birds or dinsaurs?

I'm not denying that Archie may have flown or had many avian characteristics. They're there in the bones. But so also are the reptilian characteristics.

639 posted on 03/15/2003 9:22:30 AM PST by Youngblood
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To: Con X-Poser
Post 637 [to Youngblood and your longed-for but so-far absent cheerleader, Jael:] Archaeopteryx was a bird with fully-formed flying feathers and a wishbone.

Post 626 [to me:] Only two of the specimens (both found in the stomping grounds of Ernst "Faker" Haeckel) are well enough defined to be useable. One of your six specimens consists of A feather! I thought it was a stretch to build up a specimen based on A tooth, but this exceeds that when it comes to evolutionary imagination.

Are you having trouble making up your mind? Is Archaeopteryx:

  1. A clear, unambiguous fossil species of an ordinary modern bird?
  2. A muddled interpretation from inadequate, headless, crushed-headed, only-a-feather-for-God's-sake data?
  3. A fake which Ernst Haeckel fashioned and planted around to support Darwin's theory of evolution? (Starting in 1855, four years before Darwin published?)
Please try to pick one and find some evidence.
647 posted on 03/15/2003 11:22:16 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Con X-Poser; Youngblood
Thanks for this great information. :-)
667 posted on 03/15/2003 7:10:39 PM PST by Jael
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To: Con X-Poser; longshadow; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
My next trip is to Mt. St. Helens, where a canyon much like the Grand Canyon WAS created by a flood in a matter of months. If the eruption wasn't observed, your friends would insist the Toutle River carved the canyon.

Sadly, the place you are getting your information from wishes you to remain ignorant.

Mt. St. Helens is an andesitic stratovolcano. And as such, the primary products of eruption are felsic tephras (pyroclasts), mud and pyroclastic flows, and debris flows. Typical Hawaiian-type lava flows are not associated with Mt. St. Helens because magma produced from the subduction of the Juan de Fuca plate is enriched in silica (it's actually a dacite - similar in composition to granite but with more silica), and therefore far more viscous.

During the last eruption of Mt. St. Helens, about 1 cubic-kilometer of ash was blown into the atmosphere. This ash ranged from sand-sized particles to dust-sized particles. Controls on the deposition of volcanic ash include wind direction and velocity, and localized clumping of smaller particles into larger clumps of particles, which then fall out of the ash cloud.

What many people do not understand is that the differential density separation of heavier particles from the ash cloud actually created fine, distinct layers in the deposited ash. However, these layers are not to be confused with seasonally deposited varves (which have distinct mineral composition differences), or the layers of sandstone and igneous rocks deposited in the Grand Canyon. Also, the deposited ash was loose and unconsolidated - that is, it had not turned into rock. Thus, any flooding event near Mt. St. Helens would result in the rapid removal of significant amounts of deposited ash.

If the Grand Canyon was produced by flooding events over a very short period of time, then we would still see vast canyons and gorges being carved out of the rock after each flooding event today...which we obviously do not.

669 posted on 03/16/2003 1:06:04 AM PST by Aracelis (Oh, evolve!)
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