THE WAR IN IRAQ

[mcrommert]

I would like for this page to contain different view points about the upcoming war in Iraq. I would like people to offer information that supports military action or is against military action. Be creative!

[SwedesGirl]

That would be nice I suppose....it's nice to read other's views, but I for one am supportive of our president and I feel that the ones in Hollywood are trying so hard to look important and impress their friends. I'm sick of hearing about Barbra Streisand, Alec Baldwin, the Sheen guy, Sean Penn, Bono, and all the others and their views. They seem to have the money to push their opinions on their fans, albiet very distorted opinions. Some of us don't have that kind of money, although some of us have spent our money to make these people rich so they can do this. I won't be doing that anymore. Most of the movies I've seen lately are boring, so I'm not going to miss much, and although Bono used to have some great music, I haven't heard a good song from him in years. I've lost respect for these people because, although they are entitled to their opinions, I think they make things up as they go along and I don't respect that, nor do I respect anyone who doesn't care about our national security, and I don't think they do. That's my opinion....sorry it doesn't stray from the obvious opinion of the majority but I guess the majority is wanting to speak out against the few who want to speak for all of us.

[mcrommert]

Same here. Many in the Hollywood crowd are interested in only gathering fame for themselves and making their legacy greater. They don't care about other people. Take Martin Sheen. I could care less about what Sheen has to say about the war in iraq. Just because he is the president on tv with a script written by someone else doesn't mean I will listen to him.

[mcrommert]

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[Lysander]

Thirty years from now the world will say, "They should have stopped the Americans in Iraq."

[mcrommert]

What do you mean?? You need to say more!!!

[Lysander]

1)Hitler's first move was to liberate German people of Austria.
2)The second move was to liberate the German people of Czechoslovakia.

Americans have been staging wars of liberation in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and now Iraq. We have armies all over the world. We were supposed to be out of Bosnia in a year. That was seven years ago, We are still in Kosovo too. We turned NATO into an offensive weapon, rather than a defensive alliance with the Kosovo attack. If the UN says no, we will blow it off and do it anyway, just like Hitler did when the League of Nations said he could not annex Austria or the Sudatenland.

I am merely conjecturing that what appears as a good cause, stopping the spread of WMD to terrorist groups is actually the second step in a planed trip for world domination. The foothold in Iraq is merely a stepping stone in the "modern domino" theory. Remember it is a war that has no end. The similarities of America 1900 and 1930's Germany is stronger than the similarities of Saddam to Adolph.

Hitler convinced his people that the war in Poland was self defense. Remember the announcement of the invasion started "At dawn today we began returning fire..."

[SwedesGirl]

So what I am trying to hear you say is that America is "staging" all this? Are you saying really that Saddam doesn't have WMD and is a good little boy just trying to mind his own business? Are you saying that 9/11 was staged too? Or are you saying that we should just back down and let the terrorists go ahead and do what they will with us? Do you not call it "being fired on" when we lost 3000 lives in one morning on 9/11/01? Was that not reason to get aggressive with known terrorists or people who have terrorist ties and want to harm us again?? sorry, I'm not buying into your "theory." You want to argue history, we can do that but I don't think we even need to do that to see where the problem lies, and it sure isn't with some menacing scheme cooked up by our government. I trust that 100%.

[Terriergal]

different view points about the upcoming war in Iraq

What, like what kind of weapons would be most effective?

[Terriergal]

1)Hitler's first move was to liberate German people of Austria.

2)The second move was to liberate the German people of Czechoslovakia.

Are you saying America is fascist/Nazi? What a laugh. Go away.

[Terriergal]

Hitler convinced his people that the war in Poland was self defense

Hitler also gassed and killed a lot of his own people simply for opposing him. Sounds more like Hussein than Bush. Get some discernment. I'm not saying that some day the US may become totally morally bankrupt, but if so it won't be because of conservative hawks, it will be because of liberal hawks who fight wars that are not just.

[FreeTally]

Interesting points I had not thought of. Thanks for sharing them.

[WFTR]

The Hussein regime is an ally of Al Qaeda. Osama bin Laden's tape urging his people to attack the United States if we attack Iraq is just more evidence of this fact. We are in a war against Muslim terrorists, and Iraq is on the other side. We'll only win the war by attacking the other side until they are all dead or they surrender. If the president decides that now isn't the right time, I'm okay with that. If he decides that it is, I support his attacking our enemies.

Texas Wasn't Kuwait
Bill

[Lysander]

All I am saying is that power corrupts, even in the guise of a good cause and that those who do not study history will repeat it.

Other lessons not learned? Tell the big lie until it is believed, and target an enemy and facilitate mass fear of it.

The ends does not justify the means. A just result, while eroding the principles of our Free society, are far worse than the threat. Deal with the threat under the rule of law or relegate ourselves to the history dump of fallen free peoples.

Image that! A Government that kills their own children....

[Lysander]

... I trust that 100%...

What makes America different from any other country in the history of the world?

There are a lot of things. One is the Rule of law and limited government that has power granted to it by the people-- not the other way around.

Give a government the right to skirt the basic principles of the rule of law and we will have people relishing the idea of the use of torture to get information. The ends justify the means? Hardly. The only thing that prevents us from being like the government we all decry is the protections provided in limiting the power of government. A convergence of events does not mean conspiracy, but a wise leader will use events to his advantage. Even an inarticulate leader with a good team can use them.

Remove the limits of power from government and you have a rule of men. A loved leader with too much power is trouble. Look through history and find one, just one, that did not abuse power. Americans are not special people, we have a special form of government, that is what should make us different.

You go a head and trust 100%. As for me I am making sure my guns are well oiled, and that the sheep at least ponder what they are allowing.

[Terriergal]

All I am saying is that power corrupts, even in the guise of a good cause and that those who do not study history will repeat it.

Good... cuz that's exactly what I'm saying too.

[SwedesGirl]

Well, if you are so opposed to the USA, like you seem to be, why are you still here? Wouldn't it make more sense for you to possibly move yourself to somewhere else far far from here so that you don't have to relate yourself to a country and government you seem to despise? And you could probably talk Streisand, Penn, Baldwin, and a few others into joining you. Possibly find an island somewhere and run things the way you think they should be run. Well, that's a thought, hmm....

[SwedesGirl]

I read in my paper today that Richard Gere said "Why is it when we have 10 million people in this country who say 'no,' we still have a president who says 'yes'? In a democracy, something's wrong here," The person who wrote about this in the paper, added her thoughts and said "Um, Richard, I'm not exactly sure how many people actually have said "no," but here's what may be wrong. At last count, there were 290,467,502 people in the United States, which means you're down about 280 million." I think this is one of those things (out of a few that this person noted) that shows the intellect of the Hollywood celebrities who expect us to listen to what they think. Of course they have a right to express their opinion, but they really should know that we, as fans or movie-goers or CD-buyers or whatever, don't have to agree with their views just because they are celebrities, and in fact, we can laugh at some of the very stupid comments they make. I guess I expect people who have to be in the public eye to put a little thought into what they say before they say it if they want to be taken seriously.

[Lysander]

If you had an original thought it would die of loneliness. Those who do not study History are doomed to repeat it. Pick up a book. Other than cruelty give me another similarity to Hitler. For every one you give I can give two that point out American national militarism is more similar.

Do not confuse jingoism for patriotism. The historians will someday say "They should have stopped the militaristic Republicans at Panama." My dear, it is not a hatred of America, It is a love of human rights from which I speak, and knowledge of history which you lack. Hitler was the largest Military power of the time. Who does that fit? The Germans were behind his efforts-- again who is more similar? Hitler attacked first, for just causes no doubt believed by the masses, who does that fit?. Hitler told the big lie, again what bigger lie than Saddam was behind 9-11 and would give weapons to people who hate him more than they hate us? Any evidence at all other than guilt by association that terrorists are trained in Iraq? Where did the hijackers get their flight training?

My words will ring louder when you hear we are going to Iran next, and on and on. There will be no end to military might of the Republican war machine. Money and power have no limits. Not even American money and power.