[Phaedrus]

Penrose convinces me that "strong AI" can never succeed with its alogrithmic approach due to the limitation discovered by Godel and Walker convinces me that there can be a credible model of brain function in which consciousness plays a crucial role as a stand-alone but wholly intangible entity. Science has gone as far as the Materialistic paradigm will take it (and then some!) and will continue to chase its tail so long as its mind remains closed.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post! I agree with you and repeat your summation:

Science has gone as far as the Materialistic paradigm will take it (and then some!) and will continue to chase its tail so long as its mind remains closed.

[betty boop]

Science has gone as far as the Materialistic paradigm will take it (and then some!) and will continue to chase its tail so long as its mind remains closed.

Amen to that, Phaedrus! I wonder why it is so difficult to find "a common language" to express this insight in a manner that is "meaningful" to balrog666. He thinks I've been talking about angels and tooth fairies, apparently. But what I'm talking about should be obvious to any person who has studied the operations of his own consciousness. Which is: The thinker, the "observer," the self is not a material object. Some of the most obvious things, oddly enough, seem to be the most difficult to discern.

As Heraclitus put it, "Nature loves to hide." [Memo to unspun: Yes, God is subtle....]

I was thinking of posting a "thought experiment" that the philosopher Eric Voegelin conducted back in 1960. It's called "The Moving Soul." It takes its premises from physics, particularly general relativity. Maybe this might establish the "common language" that we continue to lack. Plus it's a real "dusey!" Got to go limber up my typing fingers....