The Design Inference Game

03/03/03 | Moi

[general_re]

I thought a new thread was a good idea, and here seems to be a good place to put it, so as not to clutter up "News". The only topic available was "heated discussion", though. ;)

If any clarification about the pictures is needed, just say so, and I will try to at least highlight the part that I am interested in for you. Remember that I'm interested in the objects or structures or artifacts being represented, so don't be thrown off if the illustrations seem abstract.

[general_re]

Well, there you go - and I was worried there'd be nothing left for me ;)

[longshadow]

The biggest remaining problem is the Riemann Hypothesis.

Worth noting that Hilbert chose to include this among his famous 23 unsolved problems.

"Wir müssen wissen, wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert

[js1138]

1. Diamond's answer in post 7 (photo of a basketball - designed by humans)
2. Diamond's answer in post 33 and 62 (photograph of a (synthetic) snowflake - designed by humans)
3. Answer at post 111 and 124 (false-color electron micrograph of a radiolarian.
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4. Answer at 166 and 173-175 (close-up photo of a snake's scales.
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5. Answer at 181 (photo of cobblestones from New York City street - designed by humans.
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6. Answer at 257 and 310 (photo of African termite mound.
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7. Answer at324 (diagram of bacterial flagellum.
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8. Answer at 365 (diagram of citric acid (Krebs) cycle.
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9. Answer at 391 (photo of (synthetic) quartz crystals - designed by humans.
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10. Answer at 440 (photo of beehive, or comb from beehive. )

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks.

[unspun]

If it's testable, it quite nicely falls within the range of the scientific method. And if it proves to be untestable for one reason for another, then Dembski and ID theorists must withdraw it from the realm of science.

Certainly so. Just as evolution theory must be understood for what it is, and not confused with science.

[unspun]

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. ......... 19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

17: Many instances observed.
18: Instances recorded, including Book of Acts: Paul.
19: Many instances, observed and unobservable.

As to whether these kinds of outcomes are consistent with repeated tests, one must go to the Experimentor.

[unspun]

Oh oh oh -- you're "piling on," I think. 14 instances to 10. ;-`

[general_re]

Many instances observed.

Are you a member of a snake handling congregation? ;)

I think there's a difference between reading those passages to mean that those things either have or will come to pass, and reading it to mean that all Christians should go out and actually do those things - one reading is a prophecy, and the other is a commandment....

[PatrickHenry]

Out of the woodwork they come ...

[general_re]

I need to do a better job of not getting pulled off-topic. ;)

[balrog666]

Out of the woodwork they come ...

Slugs of all sizes tend to behave in a very sluglike manner.

[longshadow]

"dance of the equivocators and distractors" placemarker

[PatrickHenry]

PatrickHenry Placemarker (designed).

[js1138]

Index placemarker.

click for index to pics and answers...

[unspun]

Are you a member of a snake handling congregation? ;) I think there's a difference between reading those passages to mean that those things either have or will come to pass, and reading it to mean that all Christians should go out and actually do those things - one reading is a prophecy, and the other is a commandment....

There is a difference between tempting fate by snake handling and doing what comes naturally in the new nature that a Christian has... things such as the spiritual gifts that Paul listed and encouraged Christians to practice.

Of course, it is important to treat such experientally understood matters with at least as much sobriety as a paleontologist treats a tooth.

[unspun]

Out of the woodwork they come ...

There you go again, our oxymoronically monikered FRiend. I come from the creative heart of love of the God in whose image I am created. I do live inside a woodwork home, though, so you are correct in part.

[unspun]

I need to do a better job of not getting pulled off-topic. ;)

But since evolution theories and intelligent design theories have been shown to be theories (true or not) surely there are other topics to discuss.

So what do we talk about, now?

[unspun]

Do you two also give people books that you've marked up? ;-`

[PatrickHenry]

Placemarker.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Natural, but the pose is designed.