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Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?
AgapePress ^ | February 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

Posted on 02/24/2003 1:25:18 PM PST by Remedy

More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement aimed at discrediting advocates of intelligent design and belittling school board resolutions that question the validity of Darwinism.

The National Center for Science Education has issued a statement that backs evolution instruction in public schools and pokes fun at those who favor teaching the controversy surrounding Darwinian evolution. According to the statement, "it is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible" for creation science to be introduced into public school science textbooks. [See Earlier Article]

Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.

"There is a tremendous grouping of individuals whose life and whose thought patterns are based on only an evolutionary point of view," Turpen says, "so to allow criticism of that would be to criticize who they are and what they're about. That's one of the issues."

Turpen says the evolution-only advocates also feel their base of financial rewards is being threatened.

"There's a financial issue here, too," he says. "When you have that kind of an establishment based on those kinds of thought patterns, to show that there may be some scientific evidence -- and there is -- that would refute that, undermines their ability to control the science education and the financial end of it."

Turpen says although evolutionists claim they support a diversity of viewpoints in the classroom, they are quick to stifle any criticism of Darwinism. In Ohio recently, the State Board of Education voted to allow criticism of Darwinism in its tenth-grade science classes.


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To: Junior
jr ... YOU've been shown this! ((On other threads)). That you SPOUT such nonsense -- time and again -- shows you're as incapable of retaining information!!! as you are // at writing a coherent sentence.

169 posted on 02/24/2003 5:50 PM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees) fC ...

I've only seen the evolution erosian bug eyed theory of the geologic column . . .

you have another ? ?

181 posted on 02/24/2003 6:41:23 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth + love *courage*// LIBERTY *logic* *SANITY*Awakening + ))
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To: balrog666
Get 'em when they're young and you have a good chance of keeping them (ignorant) for life.

That's the idea. But a good young mind is more than an empty slop bucket, such that whoever fills it first has won that mind forever. Many people have grown up to reject the foolishness with which they were indoctrinated as children. Others, however, are ruined for life, and spend their time hanging out at creationist websites.

182 posted on 02/24/2003 6:43:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: Ichneumon
OOK! OOK! OOK!

(My, that *is* easier than thinking after all..)

Listen smartass, next time keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything intelligent to add.

183 posted on 02/24/2003 6:44:20 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: atlaw
I believe its curriculum would be the same as it is today, except it would not discount the creation theory, but would be inclusive. Intelligent Design and Creationism are about the same thing, with more intellectual posits and nuances in the Intelligent Design discourse. There would still be evolutionists, creationists, and some who combine the two.

There are many scientists that refute some of the Darwinian/evolution "facts" that have been in scientific schoolbooks for decades. Also, I don't believe that discussing ALL theories of how we got here is anything but tolerant,free education. The "fact" is that all the evolution "facts" just don't add up, and the Evolution Only crowd doesn't want that pointed out.

Creationists are about a lot more than "God did it, I don't have to discuss it, period. How about a little less PC and a lot more tolerance?

Vaudine
184 posted on 02/24/2003 6:50:39 PM PST by vaudine
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To: Ichneumon
I've always found it much more educational to study something that was "intelligently designed", rather than some random, accidental mistake mish-mash.

All well and good, but that entirely misses the point that was being made.

What are you staytrue's self-appointed spokesperson? It's clear you don't understand the point or my response.

185 posted on 02/24/2003 6:51:00 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: vaudine
I believe its curriculum would be the same as it is today, except it would not discount the creation theory, but would be inclusive.

What exactly is "creation theory"?
186 posted on 02/24/2003 7:14:39 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: atlaw
Just out of curiosity, what would the curriculum in a Creation Science class consist of?

Reality based science.

187 posted on 02/24/2003 7:18:02 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Remedy
According to Darwinism, all of us are related to coffee tables, bananas, and lice.
188 posted on 02/24/2003 7:22:04 PM PST by guitar Josh
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To: mg39
Whereas 200 guys named Steve know better than anybody else where life the universe and everything else came from.

mg39

Evolution is just about the most laughable attempt at semi-intelligence to hit this planet in about a thousand years. What's the latest flying weasel to come out of China that you guys are going to claim solves the avian problem.

189 posted on 02/24/2003 7:23:21 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: guitar Josh
According to Darwinism, all of us are related to coffee tables, bananas, and lice.

Coffee tables? That's quite a stretch. The rest is accurate with respect to many (though not all) of the various common descent theories. What's your point, or are you trying to refute the theory through ridiculing it because you don't actually have any credible arguments?
190 posted on 02/24/2003 7:23:40 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Remedy
TEACH EVOLUTION!

Over two hundred scientists named Steve agree (from the link)

Shows to what depths evolution has sunk that they propose something as silly and totally lacking any scientific basis as their 'reason' why evolution must be taught. Gee whiz, if evolution is science, then why do they not argue the science instead of nonsense like this?

191 posted on 02/24/2003 7:25:16 PM PST by gore3000 (Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be.)
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To: Ichneumon
Ichneumon
As I was willing to answer question on a different thread of the same topic I am hoping you will respond. In case you forgot, I am still curious as to why you hold evolution to be true?

Regards,
Boiler Plate

192 posted on 02/24/2003 7:28:01 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: staytrue
Why should anyone study creationism or intelligent design ?
It has no use.

Evolution not only has no use, but it has slowed down scientific inquiry. Evolutionists were completely opposed to Mendelian genetics and even nowadays you can read arguments from moronic evolutionists saying that it is not true in all cases. Evolutionists also delayed the greatest discovery since DNA, that genes are merely factories, and are tightly controlled by DNA elsewhere in the genome to make it do what needs to be done. If genes had no control, no connection to the rest of the genome, to the rest of the organism as moronic evolutionist theory has long postulated, then the complex related processes of our bodies would be going in totally different directions and completely kill us. What science has discovered IN SPITE OF evolution, is that organisms are tightly controlled SYSTEMS which cannot be randomly changed without deleterious consequences. Only the un-scientists of evolution would have proposed such a self-centered, nonsensical proposition as that 95% of human DNA had absolutely no purpose at all and that it was there just to show us that evolution is true. Not only is such a view moronic and unscientific, but it also shows the lack of respect that evolutionists have towards those who they push their drivel on.

193 posted on 02/24/2003 7:34:46 PM PST by gore3000 (Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Y'all can teach inteligent design in schools if you want, It won't bother me, but don't try to pass it off as Science. Science is the study of how things work when there is no supernatural action. Inteligent design might even be correct, but it can never be science. Call it theology, that's what it is.

I dare say that evolution has some tremendous obstacles to overcome to be considered science yet the preisthood of evolution consider it heresy to even allow to be criticized in their most holy temples (aka the public schools). It is little different than any other religion, especially when its adherents try to defend it. Evolution is a far cry from being solid fact and should be roundly critiqued at ever level. It is at best just a toy idea that can used as model to demonstrate how fact and theory should treated in a scientific setting.

Regards,
Boiler Plate

194 posted on 02/24/2003 7:36:48 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Ichneumon
do it in the peer-reviewed science journals where it belongs.

Yup, do it in the closed circuit where no dissent from evolution is allowed that way your views will not be heard. Well, tell you what - the argument against evolution is out there and it is being heard. Further, it is being discussed and taken seriously by scientists. For example the bacterial flagellum has received numerous scientific articles and discussions, many attempting to challenge its irreducible complexity and all of them failing. Behe's book has been read by millions - including scientists. No one can deny that the argument has not been made and laid out for criticism. It has been laid out much more forcefully and much more publicly than if it had been published in a stupid science journal which people put unread on their bookshelves to make others think that they know what is going on in their field.

The points against evolution are out there, if evolutionists fail to refute them it is not because they have not heard them.

195 posted on 02/24/2003 7:42:02 PM PST by gore3000 (Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be.)
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To: Boiler Plate
What about gravitational theory? How should that be treated?
196 posted on 02/24/2003 7:43:09 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Ichneumon
Well sure, but a pre-biotic world would not be at "equilibrium conditions", so the whole chapter is irrelevant. Sure looks purty though, don't it?

You mean like Mars? Where or how did you find out what the pre-biotic world looked like? Is it on video? Or maybe the Discover Channel did a feature animation? That is a total baseless lame response, but a catchy punchline nonetheless. 6 point for style, 0 points for substance.

Regards,
Boiler Plate

197 posted on 02/24/2003 7:43:38 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Ichneumon
For primers in what all is wrong with the "only a theory" canard, see:

Aaah, linkomania. You cannot make an argument for your theory because you know the links are themselves so banal that they cannot stand scrutiny. The Evidence Disproving Evolution is overwhelming which is why evolutionists will never give us either what the theory of evolution is or what the facts supporting it are but must send everyone on a trip to the library to self-indoctrinate themselves in their phony theory.

198 posted on 02/24/2003 7:47:40 PM PST by gore3000 (Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be.)
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To: Ichneumon
Science is extremely tolerant of criticism

And that is why evolution is not science - it is totally intolerant of criticism and it seeks to indoctrinate children before they learn better. That is why they do not wish to allow any criticism of evolution in schools. The basic idea of education is to teach young people to learn for themselves. To push an ideology down their throats is not education, it's indoctrination.

199 posted on 02/24/2003 7:51:34 PM PST by gore3000 (Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be.)
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To: mamalujo
Really, and did he get this first hand?

Did God come down from the firmament and tell him himself?

If so, you may want to have him checked out.

If not, and he got it 3rd hand, say the bible, tell him that I can get him a great deal on the Sistine chapel, REAL cheap.

Like they say, there's a sucker born every minute, and many of the major religions are FULL of suckers, call it 100% of them. LOL
200 posted on 02/24/2003 7:56:01 PM PST by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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