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Conservatives Fight Over Islam
NewsMax.com ^ | Feb. 20, 2003 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 02/20/2003 4:19:54 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Conservatives Fight Over Islam

Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com

Thursday, Feb. 20, 2003

WASHINGTON – A fierce, nearly three-week running battle of accusations and counter-accusations between two conservative icons has brought to the front burner a long-festering debate among President Bush’s supporters on how far the White House should go in seeking Islamic support.

Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy and a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, has accused two White House officials – Ali Talbah and his predecessor Sukhail Khan – of putting President Bush in the company of “people who have made no secret of their sympathy for terrorists, provided them financial support, excused their murderous attacks and/or sought to impede the prosecution of the war against them.” Gaffney reiterated these charges in his Washington Times column Tuesday.

Gaffney’s initial comment in this flap came at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference on Jan. 31.

His remarks sparked a stinging rebuttal from Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and one-time confidant of Newt Gingrich when the latter was speaker of the House.

“There is no place in the conservative movement for racial prejudice, religious bigotry or ethnic hatred,” Norquist told Gaffney in a Feb. 5 letter. He went on to accuse his fellow conservative of attacking each of the two White House officials because of their Muslim faith.

Norquist then banished Gaffney from further attendance at his influential coalition meetings that he holds every Wednesday, pending an accepted apology to Tulbah and Sukhail. He added, “It is important that we, as conservatives, stand up against bigotry, racism, and religious hatred whenever it raises its ugly head.”

Gaffney replied with a three-and-a-half page single-spaced letter to Norquist that offered no apology. Gaffney not only refused to apologize but also cited chapter and verse of quotes from radical Islamic fundamentalists (Wahhabists) who had been received cordially at the White House.

He also stressed that he had taken pains to “express distinction between such Islamists, and what is, I believe, the majority of Muslims in this country whom the former [Wahhabists] are determined to recruit, intimidate, and dominate through a variety of techniques.”

The CSP boss took Norquist to task for his involvement with Islamic Institute, through which, Gaffney argued, Norquist and his associates had been instrumental in “promoting and facilitating Wahabbis’ access to the executive and legislative branches of government” and thereby “could prove politically damaging and strategically detrimental to our cause and the well-being of our country.”

Norquist says Islamic Institute “was formed to promote within the Muslim world the fact that the Koran and Islam are perfectly consistent with a free and open society.”

In an interview with NewsMax.com, Norquist said he wrote his letter because the two young White House Muslims whom Gaffney criticized were merely underlings carrying out decisions made by more senior White House officials.

“He decided to single out the kid who was a Muslim in both cases, even though the people making decisions are Presbyterians and Catholics, not Muslims,” the ATR president said.

In his latest column, Gaffney reports that one Muslim representative in a group visiting the Oval Office just days after 9/11, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, had said two days before the attack: “This country is facing a terrible fate. This country stands condemned.”

Why FBI Couldn’t Find Him

When FBI agents visited Yusuf’s home, they were stunned to learn from his wife that he was unavailable because he was with the president.

However, Norquist, while “not vouching for anyone,” said the Muslims who had access to the president passed muster with the Secret Service and the FBI or they wouldn’t have been there.

“If they were a security risk, not if they said something stupid, if they were a security risk or a problem ... the Secret Service would pull them out,” he said.

Gaffney describes as “bizarre” FBI Director Robert Mueller’s decision to speak to the American Muslim Council last year despite that group’s “long record of activities hostile to the Bush administration’s prosecution of the war on terror.”

Walking the sometimes unclear lines between peace-loving Muslim Americans and those who pose a threat is a dilemma symbolized by the bitter dispute between Gaffney and Norquist, two well-known conservatives in the Bush constituency.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: cair; gaffney; norquist; yusuf
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To: Howlin; cyncooper; Southflanknorthpawsis
Oh, it's not about criticizing the president..anyone can do that...this is about lying. It's getting more "clear" now.
181 posted on 02/20/2003 9:03:28 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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To: TLBSHOW; cyncooper; Howlin
If you are referring to Sami Al Arian, I have to demand that you back this up. I live within 2 hours of USF and spend a lot of work time in Tampa. The Al Arian controversy has been going on for years, and I have followed it to some extent. I haven't ONCE heard President Bush's name mentioned in connection with him. And believe me, if the media down here thought they could do damage to the President by linking him to Al Arian, they would be joined at the hip in the public's mind.

I'm waiting for your proof.

I'm still waiting ...

182 posted on 02/20/2003 9:04:17 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: CFC__VRWC
Drag up a chair...
183 posted on 02/20/2003 9:05:59 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin; cyncooper; Southflanknorthpawsis
"“people who have made no secret of their sympathy for terrorists, provided them financial support, excused their murderous attacks and/or sought to impede the prosecution of the war against them.” Gaffney reiterated these charges in his Washington Times column Tuesday. "

I've always believed that newsmax is just like anyother publication... it has made errors in the past..so how do we know any of this is true? Where's the proof of that claim?

184 posted on 02/20/2003 9:06:02 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Howlin
Think he'll ever explain HIS words?
185 posted on 02/20/2003 9:06:07 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: CFC__VRWC
I live within 2 hours of USF and spend a lot of work time in Tampa. The Al Arian controversy has been going on for years, and I have followed it to some extent. I haven't ONCE heard President Bush's name mentioned in connection with him. And believe me, if the media down here thought they could do damage to the President by linking him to Al Arian, they would be joined at the hip in the public's mind.

And thank you for this perspective.

I am sure President Bush is very pleased with his DOJ for today's arrests.

186 posted on 02/20/2003 9:07:19 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: Mo1
Think he'll ever explain HIS words?

Has he ever?

It's good for it to be out here though, so everybody can see it.

And I guess that we can assume that if he won't back up his own words these last two nights (heck, he won't even ACKNOWLEDGE he said them) we can assume that all the rest of his posts on this forum are suspect.

187 posted on 02/20/2003 9:07:59 PM PST by Howlin
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To: dagnabbit
Where's the Christian version of the Gaza-Strip dancers when an abortion clinic is bombed?

Well, there's muawiyah here on Free Republic, who refers to James Kopp (a guy who murdered an abortionist) by his codename from the Army of God, and thinks Kopp is a hero.

And, of course, there's the Army of God itself...

188 posted on 02/20/2003 9:08:00 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Howlin
One last thing for you most of it will be your fault and the Republicans your all wimps!
189 posted on 02/20/2003 9:08:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Howlin
No, last night he said he was a traitor and in bed with terrorists.

Today he says that al-Arian is a friend of Bush's.

Okay, then this must be the sequel - they're never as good as the originals.

190 posted on 02/20/2003 9:08:22 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: Howlin; Fred Mertz; TLBSHOW
Hanging out with TLB is giving Fred bad habits. He SAID he was leaving, but he's still here. Did he LIE? Gasp.

Fred must be waiting for the "gift" ZAP so that he too will "always be right".

(Yes, Fred, I'm a Bushbot and proud of it.)

191 posted on 02/20/2003 9:08:28 PM PST by Carolinamom
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; hchutch
That's what hc is trying to find out. No answers as yet.
192 posted on 02/20/2003 9:09:26 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Fred Mertz
Go back to bed George.

Go straight back to Hell Fred, where you came from along with the rest of your sick Bush slandering buddies...and those who want to falsely accuse Bush of being friends with terrorists.
This is crap.

193 posted on 02/20/2003 9:09:41 PM PST by Jorge
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
So are you with Gaffney or Norquist? Simple question. Ignore the noise from the sidelines.
194 posted on 02/20/2003 9:10:45 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: TLBSHOW
One last thing for you most of it will be your fault and the Republicans your all wimps!

Translation????

195 posted on 02/20/2003 9:11:13 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Translation????

"Nurse Ratchet, make the voices STOP, up my meds, PLEASE!"

196 posted on 02/20/2003 9:11:56 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Fred Mertz
Do you have any proof that supports either side? How can anyone make a decision without something to support it? I'll go back to the first part of the thread...or you can direct me to it...
197 posted on 02/20/2003 9:12:32 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Mo1; Howlin; TLBSHOW
Think he'll ever explain HIS words?


He can't... someone else will have to it for him....... his gift doesn't cover all things.... it fails him but good, especially about his words.
198 posted on 02/20/2003 9:12:48 PM PST by deport (Ratty rat...... but good.)
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To: Jorge
Up yours.

I never said that and neither did TLB.

You shouldn't be such a sheep.
199 posted on 02/20/2003 9:13:28 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
also, if the proof supports the claim that our President is sleepin with the enemy's supporters...I would want proof that the President knew it..
200 posted on 02/20/2003 9:14:42 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops....)
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