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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
My what a strict "god" you have, he condemns without any sin!

Had nothing to do with sin. It has to do with the meaning of "damnation."

Damnation means being cut off from God forever, having an end to eternal progression. When you achieve this state without even having a physical body, it is the lowest of the low.

Oh, and my "cruel God" made sure it never happened, BTW. He selected the noblest man and woman from among His Spirit children, to be our first parents, knowing (He IS God, after all) that they would make the right choice.

My point was that the Fall is ESSENTIAL to the Plan of Salvation, whereas to YOU it was an aberration, a mistake, somewhere where God was unfortunately not in charge.

It wasn't. He NEVER leaves us with no options. He ALWAYS makes sure that each and every one of His children are given a chance, and a choice.

So your observation about His "cruelty" is irrelevant, because He was in charge from the beginning.

Your way, He was only in charge to the extent that He has damned each and every one of us, and arbitrarily, capriciously chooses a few that He will "save" because I guess he wants at least a few pets in the menagerie.

"Cosmic pets." How quaint. What a reprehensible "god" you have there.

399 posted on 02/18/2003 2:00:19 PM PST by Illbay (If the hunger for liberty destroys order, the hunger for order will destroy liberty. - Will Durant)
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To: Illbay
 
Oh, and my "cruel God" made sure it never happened, BTW. He selected the noblest man and woman from among His Spirit children, to be our first parents, knowing (He IS God, after all) that they would make the right choice.
 

KJV Genesis 1:26-28
 26.  And God said, Let us make man select a couple of men in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 27.  So God created selected man in his own image, in the image of God created selected he him; male and female created selected he them.
 28.  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply 'cause I got's lotsa little spirit chilen, jes like you, that's gotta Come On Down!!, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
 
Yup.. us poor, stupid Protestants are the messed up ones all right!

439 posted on 02/18/2003 8:27:16 PM PST by Elsie (You have NO better hope than Jesus!)
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