[Elsie]

Our Father had a Father Himself; that much we know. Beyond that, who does know?

Then quit bitching that we are WRONG in 'saying what you believe', for you have no way to 'prove' it.

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Your 'beliefs' are being hung out here, for ALL to see, and you don't like it, for the sheer illogic of it is readily apparent.

[Illbay]

You are wrong, not because you believe it, but because the beliefs themselves were wrong before you or I were ever born.

It has nothing to do with you, whether you believe it or not. It has nothing to do with ME, whether I believe it or not.

Truth is Truth, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has the truth, teaches the truth, and represents the truth.

Anyone and anything that contradicts the truths contained in its doctrines is in error. Period.