Your mind is truely seared!
Posted on 02/13/2003 6:03:04 PM PST by scripter
Your mind is truely seared!
Illbay, this is a truly sad statement.
Then quit bitching that we are WRONG in 'saying what you believe', for you have no way to 'prove' it.
If you had BOTHERED to READ the very first item that was posted in this thread, you would have noticed that this snippet was cut from it!
Why haven't you mentioned this a whole lot earlier than now, when I bring it up again?
It has nothing to do with you, whether you believe it or not. It has nothing to do with ME, whether I believe it or not.
Truth is Truth, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has the truth, teaches the truth, and represents the truth.
Anyone and anything that contradicts the truths contained in its doctrines is in error. Period.
I get "pinged" into these threads so that you all can insult yet another "Mormon," not so I can read the garbage "article" that is just a pretext to attack my faith yet again.
You have to do this, BTW, because we "Mormons" don't bother attacking your pitiful "creeds" with articles of our own. Pursuit of Truth is sufficient to take up our time without having to worry about the falsehoods you preach.
AKA Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great price, D&C..all added to and at odds with the Word of God..
You have a christ that was not one in substance with the father..you have a polythesim that makes Jesus and the Father just two gods among many...
I do not believe I am the "queen of the world " Bill, I am a sinner in need of a Savior .I am saved only by the grace of God..not because I did all the "right " things..or prerformed all the rituals..It is all Gods grace, every bit of it..
Bill my faith tells me that I may assume that you and the other Mormons are the elect children of God..and in HIS time you will come to the Christ of the bible..
Another "Straw Man" from the "Straw Man Queen." I never asserted the temple is more important than Christ Himself. Is the Bible more important than Christ? There's a straw man for you to chew on.
KJV Matthew 23:16 16. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Read it in context. The people valued the temple or what was IN it, not for what it represents.
KJV Matthew 24:1-2 1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
In other words: "Big deal. The people have the temple but they know not what to do with it. They don't believe in what it represents, so it's going to be taken away from them." Again, why don't you read to UNDERSTAND, not just to bandy words?
KJV Matthew 24:4 4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Well, you already flunked that test the day you took the "creedists" at their word, instead of the Savior Jesus Christ.
KJV John 2:18-21 18. Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21. But he spake of the temple of his body.
Again, so what? What does this say against the Temple? In comparing Himself to the Temple, Christ said more than YOU will ever understand.
KJV 1 Corinthians 3:16-18 16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 18. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
More bandying words. Why does Paul use the Temple as his symbol? Why didn't he just say, "you are a church"? What is special about a Temple? Paul knew, the Corinthians knew, you do not.
KJV 1 Corinthians 6:19 19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Paul continues to use the Temple as an analogy? Why? Why is it so important? Paul knew. The Corinthians knew. You do not.
KJV 2 Corinthians 6:16 16. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
But Paul is once again using "the temple of God" as an analogy of something sacred. Why? Paul knew. The Corinthians knew. You do not.
KJV Ephesians 2:18-22 18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Again, the holy temple used as an analogy of that which is GOOD. Why? And where are your apostles, your prophets? How can you have a church when it is not built upon their foundation! And don't tell me he meant "the ancient apostles," because that is an ASSUMPTION on your part. NOWHERE in the scriptures does it say that only the original ones were needed, and would be the foundation. In fact, after Judas' death, they elected one to take his place. After James' death, they elected one to take his place. Paul himself was an apostle, but not one of the original.
Where does it say that only a certain few would be apostles, and no more would be needed? Where YOU have erred is that you don't understand the REAL reason there were no more prophets or apostles after Paul's time:
"NOW we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [the day of Christ's return] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [i.e. the "creedists" on whom you pin your hopes]
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [Who could that be? Maybe popes, priests, televangelists? Yes.]
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?[But "Elsie" and her ilk don't because this passage is NOT part of "Bible-Prime"]
So, the temple is important; wherever it is mentioned in the writings you quote it is as a positive image, and oh, by the way, your churches are dead and decayed, NOT having apostles and prophets as they ought.
No prophets, no apostles, no authority, NO CHRIST.
Repent, be baptized by one having authority, and come unto Christ's True Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
No, you don't, because it wasn't another of your silly threads spouting lies and distortions of the truth.
You are the slimiest snake in these bushes.
No. All of them ARE The word of God, just as much as the Bible. And they are in harmony with the Bible. They are even in harmony with your OWN "Bible-Prime" that subset of the Bible that you study (lest you stray into those troublesome passages and begin to err--and join the true Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints).
You have a christ that was not one in substance with the father...
In the first place, how can He be "one in substance with the Father," when the Father (according to you) has no physical presence, but Christ has a resurrected body? OOPS! Another hole in your silly dogmatic "logic!"
Christ and the Father are One, just as He said, just as WE can be "one" with the both of them AS CHRIST SAID.
Does that mean we're going to be "part of God", say you, in the same way that you claim Christ is "one in substance"? Stupid, damnable creeds of yours, full of error and full of poison!
Turn away from them and toward the truth!
And who are "Elect"? Those who choose to be. God loves you EVERY SINGLE BIT as much as He does me. There is no difference. No, he doesn't "loathe" either one of us. He LOVES us, and wants us to be with Him very much.
But He ALWAYS leaves it as our choice. You have the choice, and I have the choice. The SAME choice, the SAME opportunity.
Not ONE SOUL will be preferred above another.
These men are not Christ's prophets, they are of their father the Devil.
Turn away from the doctines of Satan, and turn to the True, Only, and Eternal God, lest He give you over to your deception.
Further, I have grown up around many of the "Christoid" sects to which some here belong, and have always been able to observe them.
My wife is a former Roman Catholic, who had NO problems with her ancestral religion--she is Irish--but who, as soon as she heard the Book of Mormon message, immediately left the world of half-truths and ephemeral morality, and joined with the True Church of Christ. She had no problems with her "old" Church, she just knew the truth when she heard it, and she's never looked back.
SO, really the only problem I have is that there are always a handful of "Christoids" that are so insecure that they have to "bash" my own faith. YEs, I admit, I get sensitive seeing the names of Apostles and Prophets of God dragged through the mud, but then I consider that justice will ultimately triumph--it already has to some great degree since the murderers and mobbers who tried to destroy the true Church of Christ in its early days are dust while the Church goes on--so I have to learn to be patient, and be content.
Oh, obviously. That's why the Church they helped the Lord to establish is such a shining light in the darkness of this world. It's why the early Saints were attacked and wounded and killed by the "good Christians" in the early days of the Latter-Day Saints' history (everyone knows that the "good" people always form mobs to persecute and kill the "bad" people without any resort to law and due process).
Yeah, "by their fruits" and all that. The "fruits" of those who attack Christ's True Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, have always borne such "wholesome" fruit, after all!
The fact that our enemies have to lie, and lie, and lie, that they are adulterers, sign-seekers and charlatans themselves is all immaterial.
What a laugh.
Oh, but visualise if you are capable, the life that would even today be mine had Adam not sinned and disobeyed the God that they walked with.
He and Eve did what they did for your benefit.
They sinned, and condemned all their offspring, i should be thankful for this?
Yet another misunderstanding, due NOT from any reading of the Bible, but because your feckless, authority-bereft, creed-driven "pastors" told you so.
You poor deluded soul! You cannot now even recognise the pronouncements of inspired scripture from Creeds? To what creed did i refer when i posted Genesis 3:1-7 to you?
Too bad. Of course, you could disvcover the TRUTH, if you wanted. It's up to you. It's freely available--unlike any reasonable explanation of those damnable "creeds" of yours.
You know not of what you speak, you are incapable of understanding even human reason in this area...i pray that you forsake the deception that has come upon you.
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