Philosophical Problems with the Mormon Concept of God

Christian Research Institute ^ | Francis J. Beckwith

[White Mountain]

Your #285:

I refer you to my #282.

[restornu]

Even though I don't agree with your gif, I do appreicate your creative work!

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Infinite regression=circle jerk

Break the Paradign, repent and turn to the True and Only Eternal God. Renounce the Heresy and the False Prophet while you still can.

[Elsie]

What's not to agree with??

Didn't I capture your beliefs accurately???

[Illbay]

I pity you, you and your "Dark Lord."

Take heed: These "false" prophets you denounce right now hold the keys to the dispensation of your time.

Deny them, and you deny the Christ. How I sorrow that you can't understand that.

[Illbay]

I've posted multiple links to more scripture than you'll ever understand in a lifetime.

At some point, you know, you have to begin to do your own investigation. I cannot do it for you.

And if you reject it, if you decline to understand it, you will still be held accountable for it at the last day.

Take heed.

[Illbay]

"Of the fruit of every tree you may freely eat," remember?

Why don't we concentrate on those? Or is your mind so focused on your wickedness that that's all you can think of?

[Illbay]

Adam made a "mistake" so that you could have a chance at life.

He and Eve did what they did for your benefit.

Yet another misunderstanding, due NOT from any reading of the Bible, but because your feckless, authority-bereft, creed-driven "pastors" told you so.

Too bad. Of course, you could disvcover the TRUTH, if you wanted. It's up to you. It's freely available--unlike any reasonable explanation of those damnable "creeds" of yours.

[Illbay]

No foaming at the mouth, Elsie. Just sorrow that such worm-eaten rot blinds you so easily.

[Illbay]

Older, eh?

Time's running out.

Repent, be baptized and come unto Christ, and be perfected in Him.

[restornu]

NO! I believe in the Heavenly Father, Son and the Holy Ghost.

This is my beloveth Son hear him!

[P-Marlowe]

Adam made a "mistake" so that you could have a chance at life. He and Eve did what they did for your benefit.

So sin is good, huh? God not only approved of sin, but he was looking forward to it. That from this disobedience, mankind was benefited?

Could you explain this to us, or point us to some LDS site that explains it?

[Illbay]

Problem is, nothing that you've written has any bearing on reality.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is vibrant. It is growing, it is going forward, it is spreading abroad exactly as the Prophet Joseph Smith said that it would.

It is the Church of Jesus Christ. There is NO other. All others "draw near to Him with their lips, but their hearts are FAR from him."

This you can tell, from the ranting, raving and foaming at the mouth of those like you who are confronted with the awful gulf of darkness represented by your pitiful "creed"-based religious institutions.

Try as they might, they have NO power to salvation. There is no authority, there is no priesthood, there is no Holy Ghost, there are no oracles, no revelation, no promise of eternal life.

Just a bunch of loosely-bound myths that depend on a shortened subset of the Bible to amuse those who are easily gulled.

These institutions provide the great bulk of converts for the true Church of Christ.

Yes, these are those with "issues": They are troubled by the dead, dust-filled creeds that more amuse than inspire. They have issues with false religion, false priests, dead and decaying rituals that signify nothing.

They have issues with hungering and thirsting after truth, and so they join with us, and revel in the truth.

I hear their testimonies hundreds of times a year. So many who were lost, but now are found. They are the creme de la creme of YOUR institutions, and they are now out from under the whited sepulchres of your "churches."

They are now one with the Truth Church of Jesus Christ. They know there is no other.

[restornu]

You didn't learn this before your age of 18 PM?

Iby this is so silly the man may disagree, but he should know the LDS take on it or he was not paying attention and so never was able to gain a testamony.

[restornu]

[Illbay]

Hah. I love this. You misrepresent what PAUL says, and then IGNORE what JAMES says:

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

"If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

"And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

[James 2:14-20]

Now, perhaps you don't know that Paul was addressing his remarks to Jews who claimed they didn't need Christ because they were, after all, of Israel, and they had the Law of Moses, and the WORKS referred to are the rituals and observances attendant on the Law of Moses.

In fact, this is but one more example of the use of "Bible-Prime" by you people. You don't USE the Bible. You don't BELIEVE in the Bible. You believe rather in this Biblical subset, a bunch of disjointed verses taken out of context, bereft of their original meaning because everything is filtered through your damnable "creeds."

And so you IGNORE the words of James, and cleave only to your distorted understanding of Paul. It's so sad. How much you have lost, and when you are offered the fulness of truth you reject it because it would upset your applecart.

Had you been offered the fulfillment of the law during Christ's day, you would have rejected that as well in favor of your dead works. How ironic.

[Illbay]

We answer questions, when asked. YOu don't ask them, though, do you?

In fact you have much more fun just making a bunch of empty allegations.

I could point back to that very excellent article by our Bro. Tvedtnes, that answered a great deal of "questions"--questions that were never asked, actually, they were simply assertions without even the implication of inquiry.

I pointed it out to you, and others, and got NOTHING, NADA, ZERO! response.

So, keep saying "we don't answer."

The truth is, drstevej, YOU DON'T EVEN ASK, isn't it?

[P-Marlowe]

Why would I waste spit with an ex-Mormon!

Why are you posting to me. Why don't you go find a cartoon to post. I asked a serious question of Illbay, not you. Unless you wish to respond to the substance of my questions instead of attacking my motives, then you have nothing to contribute.

Besides, you said you don't wish to waste spit on me anyway. Remember? Or were you lying?

[Illbay]

Yet another example of the "pertinent questions" posed by drstevej. How funny that there isn't any "there" there.

[Illbay]

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were presented by your church as supermen.

Yet more proof that you lie when you say you were ever a "Mormon."

Why don't you tell us, in your own words, the story documented in D&C 8-12?

No peeking, now. Let's see if you can put up (you certainly can't "shut up").

You might find that your statement is as empty as your intellect.