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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: bondserv
DING! The "You need to believe in Jesus more" post.
Let me check my CRETIGO scorecard...
221 posted on 01/13/2003 11:55:33 AM PST by Saturnalia
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To: bondserv
The diligent student will always be rewarded.

on that, we agree. now get crackin'! ; )
222 posted on 01/13/2003 11:55:37 AM PST by whattajoke (...looking skyward for that lightning strike, 30 years and waiting!)
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To: bondserv
If you want to build a television but you only have the parts to a radio how can you build a television.

If all that is present are parts for building a radio, then no television can be built. This has nothing to do with evolution, however, as radios, televisions and the parts to make both are not imperfect replicators as biological life forms are. In other words, your analogy sucks.
223 posted on 01/13/2003 11:58:29 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: f.Christian
Creationist tactics 101:

1. Use ad hominem arguments instead of facts.

2. Make sweeping and broad assertions without a bit of support and never, ever stoop to the level of supplying "evidence".

3. Never define terms or agree to specific definitions so you can constantly re-interpret what you posted at a later date.

4. Make absurd, unproven and completely unsupportable pseudo-scientific claims and do not respond to any questions afterwards.

5. Never answer any question completely and reply to questions with more questions. Create confusion and foster misunderstanding among your foes.

6. Demand documentation of every last detail while never, ever providing it.

7. Make provably wrong statements, have them demonstrated to be false, then deny that you made them while calling your opponents "liars", "slimers", and "communist athiests".

8. When you lose, never admit it or acknowledge it. Blame the victors by calling foul names and whining to your fellow Creationists about their unfairness.

9. Never, ever set a precedent by using facts, logic, or demonstratable evidence.

10. Declare victory as often as possible. Do this without ever having made a rebuttal to any opponents position, facts, or arguments.

224 posted on 01/13/2003 12:04:34 PM PST by balrog666 (If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything - Mark Twain)
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To: whattajoke
Ummm, television/radio parts are not alive.

Therefore, television/radio construction has absolutely NOTHING to do with evolution or biological discussions.

Next?.

So biology has magic rules of using information (parts) to build and create life (TV/Radios).

225 posted on 01/13/2003 12:06:07 PM PST by bondserv
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To: rmmcdaniell
I'm calm. The point is; do you really believe in spontaneous generation? [molecules to the cell] Or
Alchemy? [ algae to ecosystem] And matter to Mind?
[magic] I just cannot summon that much faith.
Darwin is not that important to me...sorry.
226 posted on 01/13/2003 12:11:15 PM PST by metacognative
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To: bondserv
So biology has magic rules of using information (parts) to build and create life (TV/Radios).

Wow. I see we have a long way to go with you. Again, I will repeat SLOOOOWWWWWLY: TV/RADIOS ARE NOT ALIVE.

Perhaps you think there are tiny little people inside your "magic boxes" or something, but I assure you, the sounds you hear on your radio and the pictures you see on your tv are originating from a studio far, far away.
227 posted on 01/13/2003 12:12:39 PM PST by whattajoke (Breaking Creationist News Reports: TV/Radios are NOT alive. I repeat, NOT ALIVE!)
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To: bondserv
So biology has magic rules of using information (parts) to build and create life (TV/Radios).

Life and electronic devices are not analagous. You've been told this before, so your repetition of it now constitutes a lie.
228 posted on 01/13/2003 12:18:24 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
That's called 'appeal to wishful thinking'. It's a logical fallacy.

No it just makes more sense to me. You may call me a seemingly illogical person. Or Andy Griffith lover. Or whatever...

Hopefully you can at least acknowledge that I do have some examples of why we believe what we believe. And the ideas are simple but not idiotic.

229 posted on 01/13/2003 12:19:08 PM PST by bondserv
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To: metacognative
The point is; do you really believe in spontaneous generation?

What does that have to do with evolution?
230 posted on 01/13/2003 12:19:42 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: whattajoke
Perhaps you think there are tiny little people inside your "magic boxes" or something, but I assure you, the sounds you hear on your radio and the pictures you see on your tv are originating from a studio far, far away.

He He He Barney this guy is funny. He is smarter than us too. Whistling the theme to Andy Griffith.

231 posted on 01/13/2003 12:23:24 PM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
So... do you now understand biological life and non-biological mechanical parts are entirely different things that can't be compared, and that your argument/example is complete nonsense? If yes, we can continue.
232 posted on 01/13/2003 12:28:08 PM PST by whattajoke (Breaking Creationist News Reports: TV/Radios are NOT alive. I repeat, NOT ALIVE!)
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To: bondserv
That's called 'appeal to wishful thinking'. It's a logical fallacy.

No it just makes more sense to me.


Whether or not it makes more sense to you does not change the fact that it is a logical fallacy.

You may call me a seemingly illogical person.

I will, if you justify your position with logical fallacies.

Or Andy Griffith lover.

What does he have to do with anything being discussed here?

Hopefully you can at least acknowledge that I do have some examples of why we believe what we believe.

Well, yes, you do have some examples of why you believe what you believe. It's just that your 'examples' amount to appeals to logical fallacies.
233 posted on 01/13/2003 12:29:11 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: balrog666
Evolution is a way of lying (( ego // bias )) // projecting . . .

hyping // ginning 'facts' to prove the bizarre - - -

impossible // non existent ! ! !

Denial // suppression - - - of reality // truth too !!

Main Entry: 4hype
Function: noun
Date: 1955
1 : DECEPTION, PUT-ON
2 : PUBLICITY; especially : promotional publicity of an extravagant or contrived kind


Main Entry: 1bi·zarre
Pronunciation: b&-'zär
Function: adjective
Etymology: French, from Italian bizzarro
Date: circa 1648
: strikingly out of the ordinary: as a : odd, extravagant, or eccentric in style or mode b : involving sensational contrasts or incongruities
synonym see FANTASTIC
- bi·zarre·ly adverb
- bi·zarre·ness noun

Main Entry: sup·pres·sion
Pronunciation: s&-'pre-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : an act or instance of suppressing : the state of being suppressed
2 : the conscious intentional exclusion from consciousness of a thought or feeling
234 posted on 01/13/2003 12:37:47 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: whattajoke
Because biological life was engineered. My analogy applies.

That is where our discussion breaks down. God used the elements of His universe to create life. Not foreign materials that we cannot determine.

Biologists have broken our makeup into there basic parts. i.e. percentages of carbon, H2O, saline... They were put together in a structured organized way. There is information contained within us that dictates how all of the chemicals interrelate and combine.

235 posted on 01/13/2003 12:42:29 PM PST by bondserv
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To: balrog666
The 'level' playing field of evowhackery . . .

evo side - - - the end // point of an inclined triangle that extends to base of an unconnected reality ! !

The separation is infinite // complete // total // permanent ! ! !


Main Entry: sep·a·ra·tion
Pronunciation: "se-p&-'rA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the act or process of separating : the state of being separated
2 a : a point, line, or means of division b : an intervening space : GAP
3 a : cessation of cohabitation between a married couple by mutual agreement or judicial decree b : termination of a contractual relationship (as military service)
236 posted on 01/13/2003 12:46:58 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: AlaskaErik
"You keep on believing, We'll keep on evolving".

Yes! I love it! What a great way show the fallacies of Darwin's Theory in a quick sentence!

For the average person this is the best quip argument against Darwin's Theory. It encompasses so much of what is wrong with the theory.

237 posted on 01/13/2003 12:49:32 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Extremism in the Pursuit of Liberty is no Vice!)
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To: Dimensio
Why evolutionists are so adamant about their religion . . .

it is a lifestyle choice // persuasion - - - morphy // kinky // otherwordly // spontaneous

.. .. .. shifty ! !

Main Entry: 1ad·a·mant
Pronunciation: 'a-d&-m&nt, -"mant
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin adamant-, adamas hardest metal, diamond, from Greek
Date: 14th century
1 : a stone (as a diamond) formerly believed to be of impenetrable hardness
2 : an unbreakable or extremely hard substance


Main Entry: per·sua·sion
Pronunciation: p&r-'swA-zh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English persuasioun, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French persuasion, from Latin persuasion-, persuasio, from persuadEre
Date: 14th century
1 a : the act or process or an instance of persuading b : a persuading argument c : the ability to persuade : PERSUASIVENESS
2 : the condition of being persuaded
3 a : an opinion held with complete assurance b : a system of religious beliefs; also : a group adhering to a particular system of beliefs
4 : KIND, SORT
synonym see OPINION
238 posted on 01/13/2003 12:56:49 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
For the average person this is the best quip argument against Darwin's Theory. It encompasses so much of what is wrong with the theory.

How?
239 posted on 01/13/2003 1:22:22 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Your kidding? right?

the line says "You keep on believing, We'll keep on evolving"

just for starters - which one of those "actions" or "Verbs" is actually happening at the moment it is spoken?

Or which group can answer the simplest of questions? What? The believing sure can, they can say exactly what they believe. But can the evolutionist say what he is evolving into?

And there are levels to this, that is why it works so well. Different people will look at this smug remark and being questioning any number of fallacies implied.

Read it again and ask yourself what is implied, what attitude it gives, how the speaker views most of mankind. Especially see how it dismisses any "Faith".

It is used so often and I love it!
240 posted on 01/13/2003 1:40:40 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Extremism in the Pursuit of Liberty is no Vice!)
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