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To: Aric2000
You must be speaking of the so-called scientists that believe in ID, a nonproven theory that is based on the views of an discredited scientist.

The discredited scientist in the evolution/Creation debate is Darwin. His disproof of ID was ultimately based on his so called disproof that the eye was designed. Let's hear what Darwin and Behe have to say on the subject:

He who will go thus far, if he find on finishing this treatise that large bodies of facts, otherwise inexplicable, can be explained by the theory of descent, ought not to hesitate to go further, and to admit that a structure even as perfect as the eye of an eagle might be formed by natural selection, although in this case he does not know any of the transitional grades. His reason ought to conquer his imagination; though I have felt the difficulty far too keenly to be surprised at any degree of hesitation in extending the principle of natural selection to such startling lengths.
From: "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life", Chapter 6

Compare the above with the quote below on the same subject:

What is needed to make a light sensitive spot? What happens when a photon of light impinges on the retina?

When a photon first hits the retina, it interacts with a small organic molecule called II-cis-retinal. The shape of retinal is rather bent, but when retinal interacts with the photon, it straightens out, isomerizing into trans-retinal. This is the signal that sets in motion a whole cascade of events resulting in vision. When retinal changes shape, it forces a change in the shape of the protein rhodopsin, which is bound to it. Now part of the transducin complex dissociates and interacts with a protein called phosphodiesterase, When that happens, the phosphodiesterase acquires the ability chemically to cut a small organic molecule called cyclic-GMP, turning it into 5'-GMP. There is a lot of cyclic-GMP in the cell, and some of it sticks to another protein called an ion channel. Normally the ion channel allows sodium ions into the cell. When the concentration of cyclic-GMP decreases because of the action of the phosphodiesterase, however, the cyclic-GMP bound to the ion channel eventually falls off, causing a change in shape that shuts the channel. As a result, sodium ions can no longer enter the cell, the concentration of sodium in the cell decreases, and the voltage accross the cell membrane changes. That in turn causes a wave of electrical polarization to be sent down the optic nerve to the brain. And when interpreted by the brain, that is vision. So this is what modern science has discovered about how Darwin's 'simple' light sensitive spot functions.
From: Michael Behe, 'Design at the Foundation of Life".

Now which one of the two is science and which one is not?????

984 posted on 12/23/2002 6:40:41 AM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
first it was flegellum then it was live birth now its the eye do we have to show you how every little bit of evolution occurred to disprove Irreducible complexity? I would think when I debunked the flegellum that would have been enough. I can also do the same with the eye as we can still see in nature all the processes that lead to what we now know as the Human eye.

I wont even try just read this article

http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/eye.html


986 posted on 12/23/2002 6:52:02 AM PST by Sentis
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