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To: donh
"...as offered as an argument in rebuttal of a suggestion that evolutionary theory seems fairly accurate? Yes, you did."

Oh. You mean the communism thing? Like, somehow associating evolutionism with communism has no bearing on the validity of the former? Both are equally depsicable, laughable, damnable. BTW, I've further researched your specious disclaimer WRT to Stalin and evoltionism. Nice, hair-splitting try.

"Where do you think stellar evolutionary theory comes from?"

It is but a preconceived notion, with preconceived experiments and preconcieved results to bear it out while maintaining a smugness bereft of all emotion.

"That is to say, theories that can be tested using material evidence?"

With that kind of wishful thinking I have good reason to believe Santa Claus will visit you this year. Let me know when you have the eight-million-year old scene set up.

635 posted on 12/16/2002 10:18:28 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Oh. You mean the communism thing? Like, somehow associating evolutionism with communism has no bearing on the validity of the former?

My, my, I have to admire the density of silly assumptions here.

1) yes indeed, any association of a scientific theory with a political movement matters to the truth of the scientific theory about as much as a fart does to a hurricane. You have moths working on your cranium if you think otherwise. Scientific truth is not decided by referendum or political expediency, except at gunpoint, as in the adoption of LYSENKOISM in Soviet Russia.

2) Associating Darwinism with Russian Communism is an assumption fairly unique to you, and certain extreme creationists teetering on the very edge of rational thought. Stalin hanged avowed Darwinists.

I've further researched your specious disclaimer WRT to Stalin and evoltionism. Nice, hair-splitting try.

Just about any attentive high school junior who's taking history can tell you that Lysenkoism, not Darwinism, was the foundational belief of communist russia's working biological scientists.

665 posted on 12/17/2002 12:40:56 AM PST by donh
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Where do you think stellar evolutionary theory comes from?"

It is but a preconceived notion, with preconceived experiments and preconcieved results to bear it out while maintaining a smugness bereft of all emotion.

I see--and since universal gravity can only be demonstrated by looking at light that's millions of years old--I assume you have the same thing to say about the universal law of gravitation?

"That is to say, theories that can be tested using material evidence?"

With that kind of wishful thinking I have good reason to believe Santa Claus will visit you this year. Let me know when you have the eight-million-year old scene set up.

Old data can provide for new experiments for the following reason: you haven't yet dug up, or received all the old data that might be available. Therefore, you can test hypotheses by seeing how well they do in predicting the nature of evidence you subsequently recover. This is sometimes called post-diction in the literature. This is all that, for example, astronomy, paleo-meteorology and galactic astro-physics has to work with. Just how much of the scientific work of the last three centuries are you willing to throw away?

666 posted on 12/17/2002 1:00:13 AM PST by donh
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