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To: Fester Chugabrew
As far as I'm concerned, a small disclaimer label in evolutionist textbooks isn't enough. Leave the books alone. Let them enjoy the open ridicule and shame they deserve.

All scientific theories are held tentatively, and Evolutionary theory is not one of the less secure. As soon as your notion is extended to cover such less secure theories as stellar evolution, continental drift, and rotational inertia under gravity, than I'll have no problem with your prescription--until then, it is just a cheesy way to sneak support for the creationist agenda in without subjecting it to public inquiry.

562 posted on 12/16/2002 12:28:26 PM PST by donh
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To: donh
Don't you think the reality of existence needs an explanation---analysis---definition...

not the wave of a magic wish---nothing...accident?
563 posted on 12/16/2002 12:33:26 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: donh
I would like to put a warning labelon every teacher, as follows:
I was always a C student, at best, and I majored in education because I couldn't handle anything of substance. Now I am a unionized government worker, and I am unfit for productive activity. I may attempt to teach you math, or science, or history, but be warned: I am not a mathematician, scientist, or historian, nor did I major in any of those subjects. I know nothing except what I learn from the books you are using, and the people who selected those books are probably even less qualified in those subjects than I am. Now then, let us begin ...

564 posted on 12/16/2002 12:35:55 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: donh
"All scientific theories are held tentatively . . ."

If only they were so kind as to present themselves in the public arena as tentative.

573 posted on 12/16/2002 1:32:35 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: donh
All scientific theories are held tentatively

It's fascinating that you can say this with little comment, but if I say the exact same thing it leads to a sprouting of multiple irrelevant tangents about Cantor, semantics, ontology, the definition of "true", the definition of "right", etc, etc, etc, none of which actually alter the substance of what I said - which is that all scientific theories are held tentatively.

and Evolutionary theory is not one of the less secure.

This may be relevant in your debate with others, but it's not relevant to the article about the disclaimer. By speaking of "evolutionary theory" you concede the only relevant point, which is that "evolution" (no matter how secure) is a theory, which is what the disclaimer says (by my reading of the article).

As soon as your notion is extended to cover such less secure theories as stellar evolution, continental drift, and rotational inertia under gravity, than I'll have no problem with your prescription

Are you saying that the textbook in question does not clearly state that the preceding are "theories" already? I'm curious, let me know. I was always indeed taught that continental drift/plate tectonics as explanation for continents was a theory, not Truth, for example. Your point may be completely moot.

You know what's truly ironic: there would be a simple and straightforward way to shut the mouths of the "creationist side" of the argument (I'm including myself even though I'm not a "creationist" per se). Would you like to know what it is? Here goes:

Just tell us knuckle-dragging imbeciles, "The textbook in question ALREADY DOES explain that evolution is a theory! So a disclaimer is redundant."

That's ALL you would have to say. That's ALL the vigorous opponents of the disclaimer would have to say. It would shut our traps. We would have to shut up.

So why don't you say it? Why doesn't anyone say it?

Could the reason be that the textbook in question DOESN'T already say that evolution is a theory?

But that would be quite odd. Why wouldn't the textbook say what is obvious and what everyone, especially scientists, agrees upon?

In fact, any honest scientist would have to agree that for a textbook not to present "evolution" as a theory is, well, scandalous.

690 posted on 12/17/2002 10:24:23 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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