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To: tpaine
"Our ability to protect & defend those rights, using our constitution, of course."

Let me get this straight. You are saying that our inalienable rights derive from our ability to protect and defend them? Ummm, I think you'll have a little trouble finding reasonable people to agree with that. I'm sure there's a public school for you somewhere.

2,858 posted on 01/05/2003 5:02:22 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
You are saying that our inalienable rights derive from our ability to protect and defend them? Ummm, I think you'll have a little trouble finding reasonable people to agree with that.

I doubt that seriously. The concept that rights only exist if one can defend them has a long philosophical history. "Divinely-endowed" rights were originally used by monarchs to secure their holds upon power. The rest of the population was able to secure only those rights they were willing to defend against said monarchs.

2,865 posted on 01/05/2003 5:55:18 AM PST by Junior
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Boiler Plate: "If it is not a big deal why do you even suggest it?"

Obviousy, - because the point was being made that it was necessary to have a creator 'endow' us with rights.
The fact that we have inalienable rights does not depend upon the existence of a 'creator'. - Believe in a god if you will, and leave me to my own beliefs. 2844 -tpaine-

Okay. Then what DOES this fact depend on? -FC-

Our ability to protect & defend those rights, using our constitution, of course. What else?

Let me get this straight. You are saying that our inalienable rights derive from our ability to protect and defend them?

No, - you asked what they "depend on". - They "derive" from our self evident free will, and our ability to use reason to further our will. - Got it straight now?

Ummm, I think you'll have a little trouble finding reasonable people to agree with that. I'm sure there's a public school for you somewhere.

Fester, - you're the one around here having trouble reasoning, as you admit just above.
In fact, your desperation to find 'witty' come backs has become quite amusing.

2,893 posted on 01/05/2003 10:40:12 AM PST by tpaine
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