[Aric2000]

Sorry Fester, but word games will not convince me of intelligent design.

Intelligent design was created by a lazy scientist, latched onto by creationists as a way to get into science curriculum, and then decided that it was a competitive theory to Evolution.

Sorry, it is NOT science, therefore it is not a competitive theory to evolution.

When you say intelligent designer, or god, or whatever you want to call the designer or whatever, it goes out of the realm of science and into the realm of religion.

End of story.

Evolution is scientific, fossils, DNA evidence, biology etc proves it every day, more and more. Not less and less as G3K and a few others like to claim here.

Intelligent design CANNOT be proven scientifically, this is NOT a philosophy thread, this is not a religious thread, as you all seem to think.

This is about science, PURE and not so simple.

[exmarine]

When you say intelligent designer, or god, or whatever you want to call the designer or whatever, it goes out of the realm of science and into the realm of religion.

Do you believe that all came into existence by chance? If so, do you believe that "matter" is all there is? Are you a materialist?

[f.Christian]

Are you only tring to understand life chemically/mechanically in a junk/grave-yard?

[f.Christian]

Pure 'what'...

globdidit...NO intelligence/design in you---your mind!

[Fester Chugabrew]

"this is NOT a philosophy thread, this is not a religious thread, as you all seem to think."

Sure it is. That's why the article that started this thread was written, that's why it was posted, and that's why it has generated a lively discussion by all concerned.

I hope you will not dismiss my arguments as mere "word games" and think you have adequately addressed the issue. Just as science must wrestle with propositions and logic to determine the truth or falsehood of theories and laws, so those who engage in debates about the validity of science must use these tools and abide by them. To cry "word games" and think a position has been either advanced or debunked is lazy dialectics.