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Fester Chugabrew: I think a generic, simple presentation from both points of view would suffice.

You are pre-supposing that there are only two points of view. Your views of god/creation are not your neighbors view. - Thus, the needed separation.

Yes, I am. Namely, given the fact that the universe exists we are faced with only two possibilities as to its ultimate origin and purpose. Accident or Intelligence. What might you propose as a third point of view?

The multitude of those held by your neighbors, of course.
Do try to answer on point. - Or don't bother to try at all. Those are your two possiblities.

I've always thought our forefathers were more concerned about the Federal Government somehow advocating/establishing/funding a particular denomination of religion than a generic understanding of God and the rights we have from Him by nature.

Again, you seem to base your thought on a preconceived view of a type of 'god'. The founders arguably did not. In fact, I doubt that there is, or ever was, a 'generic understanding' of god. -- Despite the lip service by politicans.

I suppose, if you want to revise their writing so as to omit all references to God, Divne Providence, Creator, etc., you'd have a leg to stand on here. Their references are generic as far as I can tell, and they are many.

Again, you avoid the point to argue about word meanings. -- Enjoy your games and dreams that -- "Very few people ever controvert my posts." -- Whatta laugh...

"The multitude of those held by your neighbors, of course. . . . Do try to answer on point."

I was hoping you would engage more diligently in addressing other possibilities as to how to explain existence in general. I honestly cannot think of any alternatives than "accident or design." Your proposal, "the multitude of those held by your neighbors" doesn't cut it. In fact it violates your own directive to me concerning "staying on point."

"Again, you avoid the point to argue about word meanings"

You're the one who "made the point" that our forefathers left "god" out of the picture, right? Why do you accuse me of avoiding the point when I state that our forefathers made many references to God in their writings?

If arguments about "word meanings" are problem for you, then what are you even doing in this forum?

"Enjoy your games and dreams that -- "Very few people ever controvert my posts."

I very much enjoy addressing the controverting remarks - many of them well-reasoned and well-presented - from those who hold opposite views. That includes yourself. I hope you will remain engaged in the debate as you have time and opportunity. Indeed, it would be mighty dull around here if my posts remained uncontroverted.