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To: Fester Chugabrew
Are you suggesting that "pure curiousity" is the antithesis of indoctrination?

No. I am suggesting that teaching children what we think they need to know to take an adult's place in the world is not primarily an exercise in intellectual equality between peers--it is adults making and enforcing unilateral decisions upon somewhat resistant unformed minds. If you don't think teaching them about the present state of science should be part of that curriculum, I can go along with that. If you do, I can go along with that.

What I cannot abide, is teaching them something is science (or somehow mysteriously "stands on par" with science), when it isn't. ID is not science--it fails nearly every qualification exam anyone has ever thought of. I personally happen to think it is the best fit of the currently available facts, and I can and have gone over why that is at length, but I am not deluded into thinking that this notion has the detailed, critically diciplined evidenciary trail behind it that it now takes to qualify as a modern science.

2,136 posted on 01/02/2003 2:02:20 AM PST by donh
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To: donh
"I am suggesting that teaching children . . . is adults making and enforcing unilateral decisions upon somewhat resistant unformed minds."

I must agree that in the case of children a certain amount of enforcement is needed, as well as a sound cirriculum, etc. But that is not all education and science is about. The human mind must ultimately be free to question existence as we know it. What evolutionists have bagged for the past century in public education is a stranglehold on free inquiry. If anything, they are the true fans of what you call "Proof by Repetition."

"ID is not science--it fails nearly every qualification exam anyone has ever thought of."

As I mentioned earlier, good science does not have to make hay out of ID. It would look pretty stupid for a scientist to take ID and bash it over the heads of the public. The public by and large accepts ID without even being taught about it.

Better science does not discount ID as a possibility altogether, and I don't think you've done that.

2,154 posted on 01/02/2003 5:59:09 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: donh
What I cannot abide, is teaching them something is science (or somehow mysteriously "stands on par" with science), when it isn't.

Well, I cannot stand that either. Science is about observed facts, evolution has never been observed. There also is not the least bit of evidence that any species is undergoing any kind of evolutionary transformation into another species.

2,296 posted on 01/02/2003 6:16:31 PM PST by gore3000
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