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To: Fester Chugabrew
I think a generic, simple presentation from both points of view would suffice.

You are pre-supposing that there are only two points of view. Your views of god/creation are not your neighbors view. - Thus, the needed separation.

I've always thought our forefathers were more concerned about the Federal Government somehow advocating/establishing/funding a particular denomination of religion than a generic understanding of God and the rights we have from Him by nature.

Again, you seem to base your thought on a preconceived view of a type of 'god'. The founders arguably did not. In fact, I doubt that there is, or ever was, a 'generic understanding' of god. -- Despite the lip service by politicans.

2,123 posted on 01/02/2003 12:05:20 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY('EXCLUSIVE'-pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern deist redacted age

2,124 posted on 01/02/2003 12:08:32 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: tpaine
"You are pre-supposing that there are only two points of view."

Yes, I am. Namely, given the fact that the universe exists we are faced with only two possibilities as to its ultimate origin and purpose. Accident or Intelligence. What might you propose as a third point of view?

"Again, you seem to base your thought on a preconceived view of a type of 'god'. The founders arguably did not."

I suppose, if you want to revise their writing so as to omit all references to God, Divne Providence, Creator, etc., you'd have a leg to stand on here. Their references are generic as far as I can tell, and they are many.

2,146 posted on 01/02/2003 5:30:25 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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