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To: Fester Chugabrew
Of course, I encourage you to document the connections between the crazy fellows referenced above and creationism.

Creationism, per se, no. Biblical Christianity, certainly. Ximenez was the Grand Inquisitor of Spain from 1499 onward - ironically, he was one of the more "liberal" fellows to occupy the office, which would explain why "only" a few hundred thousand were burned at the stake during his reign. Offenses such as possessing books banned by the Grand Inquisitor were punishable by death for heresy, for example - along with the usual expulsion of Jews and Moors and so forth. Contrast Torquemada for an object lesson in brutality, if you like. Richelieu's excesses in crushing the Huguenots are well-documented, as are his notions of crime and punishment - "the ends justify the means" was originally formulated by Richelieu, for example.

Part of Leopold's justification for his adventures in the Congo was "Christianizing" the savages. More than one million of them died under his reign, worked to death as slaves. Perhaps as many as five million - nobody's really sure. It was the closest thing the nineteenth century saw to genocide. Adam Hochsberg's book "King Leopold's Ghost" is a very good look at the Belgian Congo in the latter half of that century.

Ian Paisley...well, old Ian is still with us, fomenting some of the worst, most vicious bigotry in the modern world. A Google search ought to reveal what Ian's particular bag is.

Christianity is, without a doubt, drenched in blood, historically speaking. Evolution, or something like it, was taken up by communists and other not-very-nice people, so therefore it is false. Obviously, by your logic, we can also therefore infer that Christianity is false, right? Considering the sorts of people that have attached themselves to it, after all...

1,993 posted on 01/01/2003 6:11:28 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
"Christianity is, without a doubt, drenched in blood, historically speaking. Evolution, or something like it, was taken up by communists and other not-very-nice people, so therefore it is false."

Once again, the issue is not one of validity, but one of relationship. Even if creationism were pure fantasy, no one I know of has marched under its banner to exteriminate people. Communism, which has a strong relationship to evolutionism, does not have such a clean record.

Please document for me an instance where creationism itself is responsible for spawning, hosting, or cultivating a relationship with a hostile ideology.

As far as your historical assesment of Christianity, unless you claim yourself to be a Christian, I would prefer to give it less weight than a single neutron.

2,006 posted on 01/01/2003 6:36:27 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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