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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
You say there are instances of Speciation? I say not. To quote G3K: "Science is about observations and no one has ever seen a species transform itself into another more complex species."
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Good example of G3K's kindergarten science training. Despite the -- it must be thousands by now -- links, explanations, posts, and examples given to Mr. Blue, he still demands the impossible from scientists. (Discounting, of course, the simple fact that we CAN indeed show him speciation on micro organisms and plants in a lab situation... but oh yeah, creationists have that one covered since that doesn't really count. Touche).

So let me get this straight... if we were to take you and Gore3K to, say... Irian Java where Island Bio Speciation is quite prevalent, presented you the fossil record of the species in question, presented you two with geologic evidence that a recent (in geologic terms) event caused a population shift and separation, and then presented you with proof that the similar looking current populations do not reproduce, and then we did some DNA tests to show you the similarities and new (in evolutionary terms) disparity... a simple, "well, thats just 2 different species that just happen to be very similar that used to mate but don't any more b/c god made it so, both of which just happen to populate 2 distinctly different geographic areas, one on this side of the new (geologically speaking) volcano, and one on the other. (Again, because god made it so.) OK, I got it now... makes perfect sense (/sarcasm)

Imagine if we were to hold up christianity to 1% of the rigors evolution is? Methinks the church coffers would shrink a bit... perhaps I'm the one fantasizing now, though.
188 posted on 12/12/2002 11:17:48 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Good example of G3K's kindergarten science training. Despite the -- it must be thousands by now -- links, explanations, posts, and examples given to Mr. Blue, he still demands the impossible from scientists.

You attack me for saying that there is no evidence for evolution when you yourself admit that it is impossible to give such evidence!!!!!!!!

Seems the latest attack on my posts by evolutionists is that I point out the obvious. Well, gee whiz, if what I say is obvious then why do evolutionists act as if it is irrelevant? Science has to account for the facts and if the facts are obvious, then they by definition cannot be discounted as evolutionists try to do.

(Discounting, of course, the simple fact that we CAN indeed show him speciation on micro organisms and plants in a lab situation... but oh yeah, creationists have that one covered since that doesn't really count. Touche).

Maybe others say that lab experiments do not count. I do not. I believe a lot in lab experiments. They can teach us (and have indeed taught us a lot). However, what I do object to is the claim that speciation = evolution. It does not. Evolution requires the transformation of a species into a more complex one, not into one with the same complexity, features, abilities, etc. which is the case with all lab experiments. The flies may not be able to mate in some experiments (who would want to after all the stuff they put them through!) but they do not have any greater complexity after the experiments than before, in fact they probably have lost viability because the greater the pool of alleles in a species the more viable it is. This is a well known scientific fact which evolutionists constantly ignore.

211 posted on 12/12/2002 8:39:20 PM PST by gore3000
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To: whattajoke
Go back and read the last words spoken by your God Darwin. He completely REJECTED EVERYTHING HE WROTE ON THE SUBJECT OF EVOLUTION.
1,583 posted on 12/30/2002 8:03:27 PM PST by webber
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