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Wow what a major logical leap. The judgement of scientists is not that the universe is designed where do you get this stuff.

Glad you asked, here's why scientists believe the Universe was designed. Here's why the materialists can only can only respond with the ridiculous theory that there must have been multiple universes:

Imagine that you are a cosmic explorer who has just stumbled into the control room of the whole universe. There you discover an elaborate "universe-creating-machine", with rows and rows of dials, each with many possible settings. As you investigate, you learn that each dial represents some particular parameter that has to be calibrated with a precise value in order to create a universe in which life can exist. One dial represents the possible settings for the strong nuclear force, one for the gravitationl constant, one for Planck's constant, one for the ratio of the neutron mass to the proton mass, one for the strength of electromagnetic attraction, and so on. As you, the cosmic explorer, examine the dials, you find that they could easily have been tuned to different settings. Moreover, you determine by careful calculations that if any of the dial settings were even slightly altered, life would cease to exist. Yet for some reason each dial is set at just the exact value necessary to keep the universe running. What do you infer about the origin of these finely tuned dial settings?
From: Stephen C. Meyer, "Evidence for Design in Physics and Biology.

gore3000 wrote "Yet for some reason each dial is set at just the exact value necessary to keep the universe running. What do you infer about the origin of these finely tuned dial settings"

Others have busted you on this argument before but here goes(BTW this is another old wor out word games by the Crevos). YOUR WRONG oops that was one of your answers sorry. Depending on how you view the universe this is meaningless. If the universe is in a infinite cycle of contraction and expansion then sooner of later out of an infinite number of bang/crunch events the exact universe fit for life will emerge. If this is a one time universe then if the exact conditions for our type of lifeform wasn't present then some other type of life would have arose and a scientist from their world would be arguing against some fool who believed that the Universe began when the Great and Stellar Solar Bivalve excreted it in a fit of madness.

So your argument is flawed in it isn't an absolute proof of ID. ID is faulty becuase it is based on a premise that is unfounded and unprovable and as much as you would like to prove the existence of God the fact we exist in the Universe isnt that proof.

"Imagine that you are a cosmic explorer who has just stumbled into the control room of the whole universe. There you discover an elaborate "universe-creating-machine", with rows and rows of dials, each with many possible settings. As you investigate, you learn that each dial represents some particular parameter that has to be calibrated with a precise value in order to create a universe in which life can exist. One dial represents the possible settings for the strong nuclear force, one for the gravitationl constant, one for Planck's constant, one for the ratio of the neutron mass to the proton mass, one for the strength of electromagnetic attraction, and so on. As you, the cosmic explorer, examine the dials, you find that they could easily have been tuned to different settings. Moreover, you determine by careful calculations that if any of the dial settings were even slightly altered, life would cease to exist. Yet for some reason each dial is set at just the exact value necessary to keep the universe running. What do you infer about the origin of these finely tuned dial settings?"

I don't think this is fair to use. If they weren't set this way, then there would be nobody to talk about it. It's like I tell you to pick up a rock. You pick up a rock and show it to me. I comment on how unbelieveable it is that you picked up this rock with these exact specifications. This rock is 1 in 1 trillion and you picked it up. Amazing! Nonsense. There is no need to talk about impossibility of odds after the fact, it adds nothing to the debate. Insanely impossible things happen everydai. What are the odds that I misspelled everyday just then! Wow! 1 in 1 trillion I bet! There must be a god.