To: gore3000
gore3000 wrote "Yet for some reason each dial is set at just the exact value necessary to keep the universe running. What do you infer about the origin of these finely tuned dial settings"
Others have busted you on this argument before but here goes(BTW this is another old wor out word games by the Crevos). YOUR WRONG oops that was one of your answers sorry. Depending on how you view the universe this is meaningless. If the universe is in a infinite cycle of contraction and expansion then sooner of later out of an infinite number of bang/crunch events the exact universe fit for life will emerge. If this is a one time universe then if the exact conditions for our type of lifeform wasn't present then some other type of life would have arose and a scientist from their world would be arguing against some fool who believed that the Universe began when the Great and Stellar Solar Bivalve excreted it in a fit of madness.
So your argument is flawed in it isn't an absolute proof of ID. ID is faulty becuase it is based on a premise that is unfounded and unprovable and as much as you would like to prove the existence of God the fact we exist in the Universe isnt that proof.
To: Sentis
If the universe is in a infinite cycle of contraction and expansion then sooner of later out of an infinite number of bang/crunch events the exact universe fit for life will emerge.Yes, that is the assumption made by atheists to explain how our Universe is so exactly fit for life. It is ridiculous and unscientific. It is unscientific because no such thing has ever been observed (and indeed is totally unobservable - you cannot see what no longer exists). So it is another of the phony excuses given by atheists and materialists - the dog ate my homework type of excuse. It is unreasonable on several grounds including Occam's razor. Another reason is that a random, undirected force would not go 'trying' the dials sequentially until one came about where everything fit perfectly. Another reason is the gambler's misconception that the odds change the more one plays and that the number they are playing is 'bound' to come up. This is not true. In a roulette wheel for example the chance of a number coming up the next time is always the same. Random chance has no memory. So when the odds are infinitesimaly small of something occurring, even after numerous tries, the chances of an event occurring still remain infinitessimally small at each new try.
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