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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^ | 12/11/02 | WILL SENTELL

Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J

By WILL SENTELL

wsentell@theadvocate.com

Capitol news bureau

High school biology textbooks would include a disclaimer that evolution is only a theory under a change approved Tuesday by a committee of the state's top school board.

If the disclaimer wins final approval, it would apparently make Louisiana just the second state in the nation with such a provision. The other is Alabama, which is the model for the disclaimer backers want in Louisiana.

Alabama approved its policy six or seven years ago after extensive controversy that included questions over the religious overtones of the issue.

The change approved Tuesday requires Louisiana education officials to check on details for getting publishers to add the disclaimer to biology textbooks.

It won approval in the board's Student and School Standards/ Instruction Committee after a sometimes contentious session.

"I don't believe I evolved from some primate," said Jim Stafford, a board member from Monroe. Stafford said evolution should be offered as a theory, not fact.

Whether the proposal will win approval by the full state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education on Thursday is unclear.

Paul Pastorek of New Orleans, president of the board, said he will oppose the addition.

"I am not prepared to go back to the Dark Ages," Pastorek said.

"I don't think state boards should dictate editorial content of school textbooks," he said. "We shouldn't be involved with that."

Donna Contois of Metairie, chairwoman of the committee that approved the change, said afterward she could not say whether it will win approval by the full board.

The disclaimer under consideration says the theory of evolution "still leaves many unanswered questions about the origin of life.

"Study hard and keep an open mind," it says. "Someday you may contribute to the theories of how living things appeared on earth."

Backers say the addition would be inserted in the front of biology textbooks used by students in grades 9-12, possibly next fall.

The issue surfaced when a committee of the board prepared to approve dozens of textbooks used by both public and nonpublic schools. The list was recommended by a separate panel that reviews textbooks every seven years.

A handful of citizens, one armed with a copy of Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species," complained that biology textbooks used now are one-sided in promoting evolution uncritically and are riddled with factual errors.

"If we give them all the facts to make up their mind, we have educated them," Darrell White of Baton Rouge said of students. "Otherwise we have indoctrinated them."

Darwin wrote that individuals with certain characteristics enjoy an edge over their peers and life forms developed gradually millions of years ago.

Backers bristled at suggestions that they favor the teaching of creationism, which says that life began about 6,000 years ago in a process described in the Bible's Book of Genesis.

White said he is the father of seven children, including a 10th-grader at a public high school in Baton Rouge.

He said he reviewed 21 science textbooks for use by middle and high school students. White called Darwin's book "racist and sexist" and said students are entitled to know more about controversy that swirls around the theory.

"If nothing else, put a disclaimer in the front of the textbooks," White said.

John Oller Jr., a professor at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, also criticized the accuracy of science textbooks under review. Oller said he was appearing on behalf of the Louisiana Family Forum, a Christian lobbying group.

Oller said the state should force publishers to offer alternatives, correct mistakes in textbooks and fill in gaps in science teachings. "We are talking about major falsehoods that should be addressed," he said.

Linda Johnson of Plaquemine, a member of the board, said she supports the change. Johnson said the new message of evolution "will encourage students to go after the facts."


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; rades
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To: BMCDA; Physicist
"I thought the original question whas "where does wind come from?"

It was the original question, but things like atmosphere and gases, etc. were used to formulate the answer, so I think that moved it to the next question, "Where did matter come from?" Which leads to (ultimately, from the evolution POV) the question, "Where did the BB come from." Or, possibly more cogently, "How did the energy necessary for the BB to occur organize itself?"
3,041 posted on 01/05/2003 5:25:27 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: VadeRetro
Those who will follow the evidence did follow the evidence.

EmPHAsis on wrong syllABle! "Those who will follow the evidence did follow the evidence."

3,042 posted on 01/05/2003 5:26:06 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
OH MY! The whole 1953 Gish whale thang was proved wrong?? I guess I'll become an evolutionist now because I'm sure none of their half-baked ideas have been wrong.

"It's all like that."

"All" is one of those words that my dad used to warn me to be careful of because it has a tendency to ricochet. You've read "all" of ICR's stuff?
3,043 posted on 01/05/2003 5:30:26 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: VadeRetro
Looks like a post by f.christian.
3,044 posted on 01/05/2003 5:30:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
IIRC = "If I Recall Correctly"
ROFL = "Rolling on the floor laughing"
BRB = "Be Right Back"
WYSIWYG = "What you see is what you get"
KISS = "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
YFIADB = "Your Father is a Duffle Bag"
WTF = "My disbelief knows no bounds"
3,045 posted on 01/05/2003 5:31:59 PM PST by Condorman
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To: Condorman
WTF = "My disbelief knows no bounds"

KMA = Now you've upset me!

3,046 posted on 01/05/2003 5:34:03 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry
Looks like a post by f.christian.

Editor wanted. Must work for peanuts.

3,047 posted on 01/05/2003 5:34:41 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: BMCDA
"Theories and laws are two different critters and the one doesn't turn into the other. A scientific theory is an explanation whereas a scientific law is a mathematical description of an observed regularity."

Thank you! Now that's info I can use! (I did indeed have a tendency to think that a theory eventually becomes a law once it's validated.)

Speaking of math, I've been meaning to ask if anyone remembers the name of the mathematician involved in the OJ trial who was humiliated so horribly by those 'Rat lawyers trying to get OJ off? I need his name for something else I'm working on. Thanks.
3,048 posted on 01/05/2003 5:35:24 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
You've read "all" of ICR's stuff?

I suppose not. Who was it who said, "You don't have to eat a whole omelet to tell it's got a bad egg?"

3,049 posted on 01/05/2003 5:36:31 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: viaveritasvita
But the answer to the question "where does matter come from?" in no way addresses the causes of wind.
We observe the phenomenon 'wind' whether our universe was created or not.
So what do you think, what causes wind?
3,050 posted on 01/05/2003 5:36:32 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: VadeRetro
KMA = Now you've upset me!

BMA = I respectfully disagree.

3,051 posted on 01/05/2003 5:37:33 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
KMA = Now you've upset me!

IMHO, You remind me of the uncredited 8th dwarf--Crotchety...

(Duck, cover, run away!)

3,052 posted on 01/05/2003 5:40:11 PM PST by Condorman
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To: PatrickHenry
BMA = I respectfully disagree.

LOL

3,053 posted on 01/05/2003 5:40:13 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: Condorman
I truly wish I could read everything people give me or send me or provide links to not to mention all the things I prefer to read! I don't own a TV, so I do have lots of time for reading (thanks be to God! hehehe), but it does get overwhelming. All that to say that I do have to be discriminating in what I read; things out of Berkeley are not on the list. I think I mentioned that some of the things Berkeley teaches is credible. What LDV thinks about the flood is very intelligent and scientific and coherent and all and I've added what little I know about it to the mix, but it does nothing to overturn the evidences for the flood.
3,054 posted on 01/05/2003 5:40:30 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: Condorman
Duane Gish is Sneezy's cousin, Sleazy!
3,055 posted on 01/05/2003 5:42:08 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: tpaine; PatrickHenry
I don't propose anything for punishment for blasphemy; God will deal with that, my friend.
3,056 posted on 01/05/2003 5:42:09 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: Condorman
Better watch it with the dashes--I took you for f.C there!
3,057 posted on 01/05/2003 5:43:27 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Condorman
"Venerable Geezer."

Is this the meaning of a back-handed compliment (no disrespect to the elderly! hehehe)

"New critters are dug up, brushed off and placed into the puzzle on a daily basis."

Yes, dug up! Not necessarily new. My first love in this whole "prove it" thang is archeology.
3,058 posted on 01/05/2003 5:49:10 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: BMCDA
GFY = Please leave me alone.
3,059 posted on 01/05/2003 5:51:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
LOL! I figured that's what you meant.
3,060 posted on 01/05/2003 5:52:41 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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