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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^ | 12/11/02 | WILL SENTELL

Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J

By WILL SENTELL

wsentell@theadvocate.com

Capitol news bureau

High school biology textbooks would include a disclaimer that evolution is only a theory under a change approved Tuesday by a committee of the state's top school board.

If the disclaimer wins final approval, it would apparently make Louisiana just the second state in the nation with such a provision. The other is Alabama, which is the model for the disclaimer backers want in Louisiana.

Alabama approved its policy six or seven years ago after extensive controversy that included questions over the religious overtones of the issue.

The change approved Tuesday requires Louisiana education officials to check on details for getting publishers to add the disclaimer to biology textbooks.

It won approval in the board's Student and School Standards/ Instruction Committee after a sometimes contentious session.

"I don't believe I evolved from some primate," said Jim Stafford, a board member from Monroe. Stafford said evolution should be offered as a theory, not fact.

Whether the proposal will win approval by the full state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education on Thursday is unclear.

Paul Pastorek of New Orleans, president of the board, said he will oppose the addition.

"I am not prepared to go back to the Dark Ages," Pastorek said.

"I don't think state boards should dictate editorial content of school textbooks," he said. "We shouldn't be involved with that."

Donna Contois of Metairie, chairwoman of the committee that approved the change, said afterward she could not say whether it will win approval by the full board.

The disclaimer under consideration says the theory of evolution "still leaves many unanswered questions about the origin of life.

"Study hard and keep an open mind," it says. "Someday you may contribute to the theories of how living things appeared on earth."

Backers say the addition would be inserted in the front of biology textbooks used by students in grades 9-12, possibly next fall.

The issue surfaced when a committee of the board prepared to approve dozens of textbooks used by both public and nonpublic schools. The list was recommended by a separate panel that reviews textbooks every seven years.

A handful of citizens, one armed with a copy of Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species," complained that biology textbooks used now are one-sided in promoting evolution uncritically and are riddled with factual errors.

"If we give them all the facts to make up their mind, we have educated them," Darrell White of Baton Rouge said of students. "Otherwise we have indoctrinated them."

Darwin wrote that individuals with certain characteristics enjoy an edge over their peers and life forms developed gradually millions of years ago.

Backers bristled at suggestions that they favor the teaching of creationism, which says that life began about 6,000 years ago in a process described in the Bible's Book of Genesis.

White said he is the father of seven children, including a 10th-grader at a public high school in Baton Rouge.

He said he reviewed 21 science textbooks for use by middle and high school students. White called Darwin's book "racist and sexist" and said students are entitled to know more about controversy that swirls around the theory.

"If nothing else, put a disclaimer in the front of the textbooks," White said.

John Oller Jr., a professor at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, also criticized the accuracy of science textbooks under review. Oller said he was appearing on behalf of the Louisiana Family Forum, a Christian lobbying group.

Oller said the state should force publishers to offer alternatives, correct mistakes in textbooks and fill in gaps in science teachings. "We are talking about major falsehoods that should be addressed," he said.

Linda Johnson of Plaquemine, a member of the board, said she supports the change. Johnson said the new message of evolution "will encourage students to go after the facts."


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; rades
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To: f.Christian
LOL!

Spinning and spinning into infinity....
2,941 posted on 01/05/2003 1:25:40 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
The uniformist approach to the study of earth history can only be valid back to the time of that worldwide flood at the most. Henry M. Morris

"...the main reason for insisting on the universal Flood as a fact of history and as the primary vehicle for geological interpretation is that God's Word plainly teaches it! No geologic difficulties, real or imagined, can be allowed to take precedence over the clear statements and necessary inferences of Scripture."

Henry Morris, Biblical Cosmology and Modern Science
(1970) p.32-33 [emphasis added]
What Would We Expect to Find if the World had Flooded?
2,942 posted on 01/05/2003 1:27:00 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: B. Rabbit
Seriously . . . evolution is a blizzard // deep - - - on the equator
2,943 posted on 01/05/2003 1:29:26 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: B. Rabbit
"How could so many be alive in such a small area so quickly?"

I don't know; do you?

"Billions is a large number for any species so large (6 feet) in such a short period of time between god's creation of earth and Noah's flood..."

It is?

I'm seriously asking: Did you write God with the "g" in lower case to make a point? Or was it a typo? I noticed you capitalized Noah...?


2,944 posted on 01/05/2003 1:30:59 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
I think the question isn't how so many could exist, they were, afterall, a very successful species, but how they could have disappeared so rapidly. The concentration of fossils is attributed to rapid drying, not flooding, of sea-waters during ice-ages, resulting in the Ordovician extinction.
2,945 posted on 01/05/2003 1:34:13 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: B. Rabbit
Hmmmm. Oh yeah! Wind! I see and feel its effects as I do gravity. But...where did it come from?
2,946 posted on 01/05/2003 1:37:49 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
I'm seriously asking: Did you write God with the "g" in lower case to make a point? Or was it a typo? I noticed you capitalized Noah...?

Noah is a name. I would capitalize Noah, Tom, Dick, Harry, and Luke Skywalker. There have been a lot of gods. No proper name, no capitalization.

2,947 posted on 01/05/2003 1:37:58 PM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: viaveritasvita
I prefer room for God as well as for human reasoning.

It is important to set proper limits to the understanding of Scripture, excluding any unseasonable interpretations which would make it mean something which it is not intended to mean. In order to mark out the limits of their own proper fields, theologians and those working on the exegesis of the Scripture need to be well informed regarding the results of the latest scientific research.
Source: MESSAGE TO THE PONTIFICAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES: ON EVOLUTION, by Pope John Paul II.
2,948 posted on 01/05/2003 1:39:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: viaveritasvita
It's a lost cause for conservatives // conservatism if cobsevatives can not deal with lies // liberalism on it's own turf!
2,949 posted on 01/05/2003 1:40:22 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: viaveritasvita
tpaine wrote: "...and no one cares...."

I care, tribune7, as many others do. We're out here following the discussion and cheering for you and the others who have the courage to stand against those who imagine that human reasoning is the be all, end all. Thank you!

Arrrr gees folks, I care too, sniff, snort, - I really do. -- Your emotions are important to me, except when you use them to justify playing games with my rights.
As Doctor Stochastic said:
"...you prefer human unreasoning?"
And you wisecracked in reply:

I prefer room for God as well as for human reasoning.

We all 'prefer' our own way, but I'll settle for the rule of constitutional law, if you don't mind.

2,950 posted on 01/05/2003 1:40:53 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Nebullis
"The concentration of fossils is attributed to rapid drying, not flooding, of sea-waters during ice-ages, resulting in the Ordovician extinction."

An interesting theory. I'll be most curious to read Austin's paper.

2,951 posted on 01/05/2003 1:44:15 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: All
Since way back in post 1081, g3k has been asked: HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?. Still no answer, except for dodges, evasions, excuses, and attempts to provoke a flame war (and thus an excuse to have the thread pulled).

It can't be very difficult for someone who has surveyed all Nobel Prize winning work and has declared that it all disproves evolution. An intellect of such sweeping power should be able to give us his answer. HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?.

2,952 posted on 01/05/2003 1:45:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: viaveritasvita
"leaves falling up // to the ground...'paths' - - - "

this is dwarf autism...retardation---mental scurvy---breech 'birth' . . .

holes in the brain---mad morphisis everything!

Talk about a handicap . . . generational extinction---sabotage!

Main Entry: 1sab·o·tage

Pronunciation: 'sa-b&-"täzh

Function: noun

Etymology: French, from saboter to clatter with sabots, botch, sabotage, from sabot

Date: 1910

1 : destruction of an employer's property (as tools or materials) or the hindering of manufacturing by discontented workers

2 : destructive or obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent to hinder a nation's war effort

3 a : an act or process tending to hamper or hurt

b : deliberate subversion


2,953 posted on 01/05/2003 1:46:18 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
You've got freepmail.
2,954 posted on 01/05/2003 1:47:15 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: PatrickHenry
Approximately 6000 years old.
2,955 posted on 01/05/2003 1:48:25 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
Hmmmm. Oh yeah! Wind! I see and feel its effects as I do gravity. But...where did it come from?

What is your point? Are you trying to waste my time?

The atmosphere is composed of air which, in turn, is made up of tiny particles of different gases like nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen. The sun shines on our atmosphere all of the time. But, it heats the surface of the Earth unevenly, so that in some places it is warm while in other places it is cold. As air gets warmer, its particles spread out. This makes the air lighter, or less dense, so it rises. As air cools, it becomes heavier, or more dense, and sinks. As warm air rises, air from cooler areas flows in to take the place of the heated air. This process is called convection and causes air to move. The differential heating of the Earth's surface and the resulting convection is what causes wind on this planet. Wind circles the Earth and plays an important role in determining weather conditions.

2,956 posted on 01/05/2003 1:48:39 PM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: viaveritasvita
Approximately 6000 years old.

I've got neckties that old.

2,957 posted on 01/05/2003 1:52:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: B. Rabbit
It's a lost cause for conservatives // conservatism . . .

if consevatives can not deal with lies // liberalism - - -

. . . on it's own turf!


2,958 posted on 01/05/2003 1:52:19 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: viaveritasvita
Approximately 6000 years old.

In which case the theory of Continental Drift and Plate Tectonics is as well false?

2,959 posted on 01/05/2003 1:52:38 PM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: B. Rabbit
But you referred to the "god of creation." Surely all religions (those with a creation model, that is) consider the Creator in the proper noun form vs. the gods of the sun or fertility rites or reason or rain, etc.
2,960 posted on 01/05/2003 1:53:59 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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