Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J
No you're not. You're introducing your own arguments and making your own conclusions. My argument is that both evolutionism and creationism remain theories and are stated as such by those who adhere to each one. It is absurd to suggest that I thereby advocate the teaching and acceptance of every Tom-Dick-Harry theory out there, but that is some kind of "logical conclusion" you've chosen to advance on my behalf.
Dang. You make a good evolutionist!
I know what's comical. The fact that you think it's a simple thing to "observe" evolution. That a big sign will pop up and let us know... Or how about the fact that you think evolution is so comical but you follow a theory that has no evidence and was created 2,000 years ago by wandering desert nomads without degrees from Ivy league institutions.
So should we teach all of the theories on the development of life on earth?
It is absurd to suggest that I thereby advocate the teaching and acceptance of every Tom-Dick-Harry theory out there, but that is some kind of "logical conclusion" you've chosen to advance on my behalf.
Oh, please. If you don't want to discuss the notion that some theories are better than others, then you can just live with the results of that. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending that your words don't have logical implications and consequences is unbecoming for adults.
On the contrary, I don't think evolution can be observed at all, let alone with a big sign popping up. It's comical to think you think I think evolution is for real.
No. There would not be time for that. As you say, we need to pick out the best, and let open minds inquire and decide. Some theories are certainly better than others. When it comes to existence and how things came to be the way they are right now, however, there are only TWO possibilities I know of. One of them has been - for reasons unknown to common sense - utterly squelched from the public school system for nearly a century.
Indeed, you understand my position that God is the only observer and the author of Genesis - and that at His inception space/time coordinate (big bang) the equivalent of a 24 hour day would appear to be 8 billion years at our space/time coordinates, etc. Thus, I believe both statements (old and young) are in agreement.
We just never finish the sentence, the universe is 15 billion years old from our space/time coordinates.
It sounds like Starlight and Time would have God as the observer from our pre-existing earth space/time coordinate. I would probably dismiss that because time is a part of the creation and not something in which the Creator exists.
Hugs!
Right. Evolutionary theory, and the Native American story of the Raven.
Wait, you had something else in mind, right? Why is your something else a better theory than the Raven theory?
Didn't they tell you? We're all moving to Hawaii...
Actually it was about 3,500 years ago when it was given to Moses to write down the account of how the world came to be. Until that time such knowledge was passed along orally from family to family. This was well before the days of Ivy League musings.
So, how's life in the pond?
Has the Native American story of the Raven been advanced as a legitimate theory WRT existence as we know it? If so, I did not know about it. Please explain it to me, and I'll let you know whether I think it should be considered by my reason and senses and those of my children.
Thanks.
I see where you're coming from. It really poses a big problem where public schools are concerned. I mean, how can anyone possibly introduce creationism in the public arena without introducing God? And once God is introduced, one must deal with a host of notions about religion.
But then, I'm not sure there is a necessity involved. No schoolroom will ever cover all knowledge in every detail. I think a generic, simple presentation from both points of view would suffice.
I've always thought our forefathers were more concerned about the Federal Government somehow advocating/establishing/funding a particular denomination of religion than a generic understanding of God and the rights we have from Him by nature.
I just hope it doesn't get too warm, wherever you end up.
Sure. In exactly the same manner as the Book of Genesis has. The Inuit had the Raven theory as their explanation for where everything came from, just like others theorized about a great anthropomorphic god being responsible for creating heaven and earth. And like that one, it was an oral account that's since been written down - you can read a version of it here.
It's a pretty good theory, as these things go. It doesn't have quite the evidence to support it that evolutionary theory does, but then again, nothing does.
Har har har. That "generic presentation" fig leaf is going to be blown away in the wind the first time a kid asks who the creator is. What will you say? "Could be a giant raven, could be the God of the Bible. Can't say for sure. Sorry."
I'd be curious to know which account of creation is more widely known. That of Genesis or that of the Raven. And to have a general consensus from more sources would even further corroborate creation theories.
In terms of physical evidence, I cannot see how evolution can lose. It has devised unobserved mechanisms for anything it cannot explain. Creationists have their own trump card, too! But really, these are two different world views, and I really don't see great harm in giving each some air time in the public arena.
Have a good evening, and thanks for keeping me involved. I do appreciate it.
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