Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
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You are absolutely right. It is just another variation of the line that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton use, when they blame all minority failures in the United States on the Whites; that unhappy women use, when they blame everything unhappy in their lives on men; that educators that will not teach use, when they blame their dismal achievement level on lack of proper funding.
It is the loser's lament, when they will not face up to the fact that they lost because of their own failure to do more; the excuse for not really dealing with problems and/or opportunities. In point of fact, Libertarian candidates probably draw as many Democratic votes as Republican votes, but the excuse seekers deliberately choose to misunderstand that. They are only too happy to be able to assail someone, rather than look in the mirror.
These whining posts are no help to those real Conservatives, who mean to take back America. They are a diversion from what we should be doing--and that is arguing the real issues that will determine all our futures. Politics, only about the personalities of the office-holders, which is ultimately a big part of partisan politics--is always a mistake. Parties have their uses, but they should never be allowed to divert our attention from the principles for which we should be arguing--towards which we should be taking every opportunity to steer our neighbors.
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Satan has more than one game going... doing as one feels is certainy one of them...as is tolatarian control.. The law must be written in a mans heart and the Holy Spirit does this ..but as long as men seek to do as the reason in their own minds...they will never be free for the society they build will slouch into gomorrah and demand the rule of the iron fist..its only a matter of time..
If that, in and of itself, is the basis for your political philosophy, then the only conclusion is that our Constitutional Republic, being the product of the flawed reason of mere mortals, must inevitably collapse into hedonistic anarchy. Our only hope is to seek shelter in the iron fist of a totalitarian theocracy, and the sooner the better.
I agree with this sentiment. I am a die hard Republican, who would never vote for a liberatarian (I just can't go for that legalization of drugs thing), but I also realize that we live in American, and the best thing about that is the ability to vote for who we personally want in office.
In 2000 Bush lost Wisconsin by less of a margin than Buchanan votes. I hate living in a state that didn't vote for Bush, but I don't blame people for voting for whomever they wanted too.
Everybody, this is the stupidest argument in the world!!! Ed Thompson got 10% of the vote because 10% of the voters didn't want either McCallum or Doyle.
This whining sounds as bad as the whining liberals who blame Nader for President Bushs victory.
In the USA we have the right to vote for anybody (even Mickey Mouse if you want), and I for one never ever want that to change.
We complain that the African-Americans, and the Hispanics, and the Jews overwhelmingly vote for the Dems and can't think for themselves, yet we are telling the liberatarians to do the same? Sounds kind of hypocritical to me.
After having said all of that let me remind all of you that may flame away, I am a proud Republican who will probably vote a straight ticket the rest of my life, but only because it is MY choice to do so, not a bunch of people who try and scare me into it.
I personally would rather live in a Country run by Hillary Clinton-like pols for the next 100 years, than live in a Country that doesn't allow me to vote for whom I want.
Please do not make assumptions about me supporting moderates. There is no one in government, save Ron Pual, who is conservative enough for me.
While I am not familiar with that particular race your point is well made in general.
Best regards,
Excellent observations. I presume you will switch your registration to Libertarian at your earliest convenience.
Welcome to the party.
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Agreed. I would never follow in the footsteps of Turncoat Ron Paul and abandon my party as long as the possibility remains Republicans will convert and return the United States to a two party system by joining the Libertarian Party.
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Call me a purist, but I drink my coffee without cream or sugar and if I'm going to confront tyrannical government I want it to be unquestionably evil and tyrannical.
As long as pre-emptive surrender Republocrats like Trent Lott and Jim Jeffords prevail the issues are hopelessly blurred and muddied.
Now when Clintigula ruled the issues at stake were crystal clear and apparent to all.
It remains to be seen whether the lessons learned (if they WERE learned) from that era will result in a stronger Republic.
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A third party does not interest me.
I will be satisfied when the United States returns to a two party system.
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Recent elections have demonstrated the margin of victory is frequently at or below 1 percent.
The mere existence of a passionate voter base who actually vote should be sufficient to encourage candidates for office to read and recite the Constitution during their campaign speeches.
The first candidate to demonstrate a clear grasp of the principles involved wins the election.
That my friend, is real power. The wee still voice of conscience at work as it were.
After all, Saddam Hussein recently won over 99 percent of his retention vote in Irag. You don't want to live in Iraq do you?
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Very well-reasoned post.
Something else occured to me. I find it funny that Republicans and Conservatives in general claim that Libertarians are whiny losers, pushing an unrealistic view, living in a surreal world, because of the utopian Constitutional ideals they espouse. "Just compromise - it'll never happen!"
Yet when it comes to certain issues for them, such as the WOD or open borders, what do they say? "No way - I can't accept this position. There's no way I'll vote Libertarian."
I'm not ridiculing the viewpoint here. I'm saying that Conservatives would not respond to Libertarian attacks to just abandon their principles on their pet issues. Certainly there are issues on which Conservatives are unwilling to compromise. And I applaud them for it. I may try to convert you or give you reasons why you should change the way you think - but don't compromise what you believe for the sake of an election!
It is indeed hypocritical - and just ridiculous - to blame third parties for Republican or Democrat election losses.
Indeed. If there were no Libertarian Party most of these moral-liberals would probably be voting Democratic anyway.
Sounds to me like it was McCallum who took votes away from Ed and let the Socialists win. Thanks, McCallum.
In every close race in which the more conservative of the two contending parties loses due to libertarian "more pure than thou" idiot-voting, the libertarians are directly to blame.
Libertarians haven't a prayer of winning in their own right. Not even the most deluded among them believes the Libertarian Party is a contender. They cannot compete. They preach conservatism, but they are the first to sacrifice conservatism at the altar of political purity. What they are saying, in effect is: "If I can't have my liberdopian candidate, I'll settle for the most liberal viable candidate in the race."
When judging the true political intentions of libertarians it is never wise to read their lips. They lie like Clinton. Watch their results instead.
Trivia Question: We have three libertarian senators--who are they?
Answer: Liberal Democrats Reid, Cantwell, and Johnson.
How did your super Libertarian brain know about my secret desire to live in iraq?
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