LIBERTARIANS; THE SOCIALIST'S BEST FRIEND

THE LOGICAL VIEW ^ | 11/06/02 | MARK A SITY

[Ohioan]

Ah yes, the "waah, that spoiler took my votes" syndrome. Maybe if the GOP candidate had done something to, you know, inspire the support of the Ls... it's the same song and dance the Dems have about the Greens.

You are absolutely right. It is just another variation of the line that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton use, when they blame all minority failures in the United States on the Whites; that unhappy women use, when they blame everything unhappy in their lives on men; that educators that will not teach use, when they blame their dismal achievement level on lack of proper funding.

It is the loser's lament, when they will not face up to the fact that they lost because of their own failure to do more; the excuse for not really dealing with problems and/or opportunities. In point of fact, Libertarian candidates probably draw as many Democratic votes as Republican votes, but the excuse seekers deliberately choose to misunderstand that. They are only too happy to be able to assail someone, rather than look in the mirror.

These whining posts are no help to those real Conservatives, who mean to take back America. They are a diversion from what we should be doing--and that is arguing the real issues that will determine all our futures. Politics, only about the personalities of the office-holders, which is ultimately a big part of partisan politics--is always a mistake. Parties have their uses, but they should never be allowed to divert our attention from the principles for which we should be arguing--towards which we should be taking every opportunity to steer our neighbors.

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[tacticalogic]

Man's nature is to choose evil...every time...man cannot even choose to do good as Solomon said ..all is vanity..all mans "good deeds' are but filthy rags...

Satan has more than one game going... doing as one feels is certainy one of them...as is tolatarian control.. The law must be written in a mans heart and the Holy Spirit does this ..but as long as men seek to do as the reason in their own minds...they will never be free for the society they build will slouch into gomorrah and demand the rule of the iron fist..its only a matter of time..

If that, in and of itself, is the basis for your political philosophy, then the only conclusion is that our Constitutional Republic, being the product of the flawed reason of mere mortals, must inevitably collapse into hedonistic anarchy. Our only hope is to seek shelter in the iron fist of a totalitarian theocracy, and the sooner the better.

[codercpc]

The premise of this article is that a Republican is entitled to this seat and a Libertarian has no place challenging the status quo. That kind of arrogant attitude is so contemptuous and antithetical to the American spirit. Quit whining. No one is entitled to an office. It has to be earned.

I agree with this sentiment. I am a die hard Republican, who would never vote for a liberatarian (I just can't go for that legalization of drugs thing), but I also realize that we live in American, and the best thing about that is the ability to vote for who we personally want in office.

In 2000 Bush lost Wisconsin by less of a margin than Buchanan votes. I hate living in a state that didn't vote for Bush, but I don't blame people for voting for whomever they wanted too.

Everybody, this is the stupidest argument in the world!!! Ed Thompson got 10% of the vote because 10% of the voters didn't want either McCallum or Doyle.

This whining sounds as bad as the whining liberals who blame Nader for President Bushs victory.

In the USA we have the right to vote for anybody (even Mickey Mouse if you want), and I for one never ever want that to change.

We complain that the African-Americans, and the Hispanics, and the Jews overwhelmingly vote for the Dems and can't think for themselves, yet we are telling the liberatarians to do the same? Sounds kind of hypocritical to me.

After having said all of that let me remind all of you that may flame away, I am a proud Republican who will probably vote a straight ticket the rest of my life, but only because it is MY choice to do so, not a bunch of people who try and scare me into it.

I personally would rather live in a Country run by Hillary Clinton-like pols for the next 100 years, than live in a Country that doesn't allow me to vote for whom I want.

[GulliverSwift]

Libertarians also caused the GOP to lose the Senate in 2001 by making Slade Gorton lose. They also, in addition to voter fraud, made John Thune lose.

[Republic of Texas]

I don't like or support RINO's, nor do I think Republicans have to act moderate to get support. We should be as conservative as we can at all times. My ultimate goal is a government that lives by the Constitution, no more or less. We are so far away from that, people would freak out if it was tried. But, if we start with welfare reform, then reduce it, and keep reducing it while educating new voters, eventually we can end up with no welfare.

Please do not make assumptions about me supporting moderates. There is no one in government, save Ron Pual, who is conservative enough for me.

[Republic of Texas]

Republican candidate Michael Cloud would have gotten 40% of the vote for his party affiliation alone. THAT candidate, with the right campaign would have HAD achance to beat Kerry.

[Copernicus]

Its an ignorant argument and they know it. If we simply take a look at the margin Biskupic lost by then we know the margin Mc would have lost by.

While I am not familiar with that particular race your point is well made in general.

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

You make my point exactly! Let the Socialists do the infighting while we team up! We can get rid of the extreme left and maybe their hold on the liberal indoctrination centers like schools and the press. We can sort out our diferences after they are out of power! Let's get the debate on our terms for a change, instead of theirs!

Excellent observations. I presume you will switch your registration to Libertarian at your earliest convenience.

Welcome to the party.

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

You can't change the party if you abandon it.

Agreed. I would never follow in the footsteps of Turncoat Ron Paul and abandon my party as long as the possibility remains Republicans will convert and return the United States to a two party system by joining the Libertarian Party.

Best regards,

[Republic of Texas]

Get more than 10% of the vote in a national election, and I'll sign up.

[Copernicus]

Otherwise you will consistently elect the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you want, i.e., SOCIALISTS. If that's ok with you, then enjoy

Call me a purist, but I drink my coffee without cream or sugar and if I'm going to confront tyrannical government I want it to be unquestionably evil and tyrannical.

As long as pre-emptive surrender Republocrats like Trent Lott and Jim Jeffords prevail the issues are hopelessly blurred and muddied.

Now when Clintigula ruled the issues at stake were crystal clear and apparent to all.

It remains to be seen whether the lessons learned (if they WERE learned) from that era will result in a stronger Republic.

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

A third party is never going to take over.

A third party does not interest me.

I will be satisfied when the United States returns to a two party system.

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

Get more than 10% of the vote in a national election, and I'll sign up.

Recent elections have demonstrated the margin of victory is frequently at or below 1 percent.

The mere existence of a passionate voter base who actually vote should be sufficient to encourage candidates for office to read and recite the Constitution during their campaign speeches.

The first candidate to demonstrate a clear grasp of the principles involved wins the election.

That my friend, is real power. The wee still voice of conscience at work as it were.

After all, Saddam Hussein recently won over 99 percent of his retention vote in Irag. You don't want to live in Iraq do you?

Best regards,

[missileboy]

I never thought about the Blacks and Hispanic sheeple-voting argument (and believe me, I've thought of a lot of arguments).

Very well-reasoned post.

Something else occured to me. I find it funny that Republicans and Conservatives in general claim that Libertarians are whiny losers, pushing an unrealistic view, living in a surreal world, because of the utopian Constitutional ideals they espouse. "Just compromise - it'll never happen!"

Yet when it comes to certain issues for them, such as the WOD or open borders, what do they say? "No way - I can't accept this position. There's no way I'll vote Libertarian."

I'm not ridiculing the viewpoint here. I'm saying that Conservatives would not respond to Libertarian attacks to just abandon their principles on their pet issues. Certainly there are issues on which Conservatives are unwilling to compromise. And I applaud them for it. I may try to convert you or give you reasons why you should change the way you think - but don't compromise what you believe for the sake of an election!

It is indeed hypocritical - and just ridiculous - to blame third parties for Republican or Democrat election losses.

[Cultural Jihad]

It is indeed ... just ridiculous - to blame [the Libertarian Party] for Republican ... losses.

Indeed. If there were no Libertarian Party most of these moral-liberals would probably be voting Democratic anyway.

[Sloth]

Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.

Sounds to me like it was McCallum who took votes away from Ed and let the Socialists win. Thanks, McCallum.

[Kevin Curry]

It is indeed hypocritical - and just ridiculous - to blame third parties for Republican or Democrat election losses.

In every close race in which the more conservative of the two contending parties loses due to libertarian "more pure than thou" idiot-voting, the libertarians are directly to blame.

Libertarians haven't a prayer of winning in their own right. Not even the most deluded among them believes the Libertarian Party is a contender. They cannot compete. They preach conservatism, but they are the first to sacrifice conservatism at the altar of political purity. What they are saying, in effect is: "If I can't have my liberdopian candidate, I'll settle for the most liberal viable candidate in the race."

When judging the true political intentions of libertarians it is never wise to read their lips. They lie like Clinton. Watch their results instead.

Trivia Question: We have three libertarian senators--who are they?

Answer: Liberal Democrats Reid, Cantwell, and Johnson.

[Republic of Texas]

I love black coffee too, but if you think the current crop of socialist brainwashed voters would elect a candidate on a Constitution platform you are crazy. No welfare? No Social Security? Please, that candidate might get 5% of the vote. Does that prospect warm my heart? No. But, that doesn't mean that in time after re-educating the public, and allowing the current crop of socialists to die off, it could be done.

How did your super Libertarian brain know about my secret desire to live in iraq?