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LIBERTARIANS; THE SOCIALIST'S BEST FRIEND
THE LOGICAL VIEW ^ | 11/06/02 | MARK A SITY

Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net

TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02

When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.

Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.

IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!

Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!

Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.

MARK A SITY http://www.logic101.net/


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To: Dead Corpse
First of all, Reagan's tax cuts weren't big enough. I think he got what he could, and thank God for that. Second, not every Republican can be Reagan. Men like that are few and far between.

Third, yes Clinton did worry about the Brady Bill. The Dims goal is to CONFISCATE EVERY GUN IN AMERICA. However, they can't come out and say that, because they know Americans would ever put up with it. So, they do it one step at a time, and demonize guns and gun owners along the way so that when the day comes that they push for the confiscation of ALL guns, the vast majority of Americans will accept it.

And yes, they should be able to make meaningful headway, and if they don't we should vote for more conservative candidates WHO HAVE A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY WIN next time.

IF YOU DON'T WIN, YOU CAN'T IMPLEMENT YOUR POLICY

181 posted on 11/07/2002 9:03:12 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: ThomasJefferson
In case it hadn't occured to you, I have.
182 posted on 11/07/2002 9:04:06 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: tdadams
the only person in that race that had a chance, any chance of beating Ron Kirk, was John Cornyn. End of story. Knowing that, it was an easy choice. For a realist.
183 posted on 11/07/2002 9:06:13 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
In case it hadn't occured to you, I have.

So in that case, you will not be doing anything different to "hold them accountable"?

So much for holding them accountable. LOL You ARE a funny guy!

184 posted on 11/07/2002 9:06:46 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Republic of Texas
So, in a nutshell you're saying the stakes are so high that you're forced to compromise.
185 posted on 11/07/2002 9:09:11 AM PST by tdadams
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To: Republic of Texas
IF YOU DON'T WIN, YOU CAN'T IMPLEMENT YOUR POLICY

BZZZT, put on your dunce cap.

The most successful party in American history, the Socialist party, never elected anyone. But they were able to get their entire agenda enacted.

186 posted on 11/07/2002 9:09:49 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Today, the Senate is slightly more conservative than on Monday. That is good. If we all continue to force our government to become more conservative, that will be good. If we get the government to conform to the Constitution, that would be more than great. If you have any ideas on how to make that happen tommorrow, I'm all ears.
187 posted on 11/07/2002 9:10:54 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: logic101.net
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction.

What a lame-brained statement.

188 posted on 11/07/2002 9:11:32 AM PST by Beenliedto
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To: Republic of Texas
If we all continue to force our government to become more conservative, that will be good. If we get the government to conform to the Constitution, that would be more than great.

I thought you said you were a realist?

189 posted on 11/07/2002 9:12:19 AM PST by tdadams
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To: ThomasJefferson
Actually you are correct except for one thing, the name of the party. They are actually called Democrats. And they enacted all that socialism while they had control of Congress for 40 years. They were in control and the Socialists weren't for one reason.

The Socialists wanted to enact a Socialist form of government in one fell swoop. The Democrats knew Americans would never go for that, so they did it incrementally, and held power for 40 years. We can learn from that, if we choose to.

190 posted on 11/07/2002 9:15:52 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
If you have any ideas on how to make that happen tommorrow, I'm all ears.

I have never said it will happen today. Only that it will NEVER happen with your strategy. Your strategy seems to be holding their feet to the fire by NOT holding their feet to the fire. You admitted that you are already doing what you are threatening to do. It's a farce. Low comedy.

191 posted on 11/07/2002 9:16:20 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: tdadams
That is my dream, but as I noted further along in that comment, the part you didn't copy, I don't think that will happen tommorrow, but we can move in that direction.

The general population of our country has been brainwashed by socialism for 40 years. We WILL NOT change that in one day, or week or year. Some we can change, some will die off, the rest will be new blood. I don't like it, but that's reality.

192 posted on 11/07/2002 9:19:50 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: ThomasJefferson
I vote, I write, I donate money, I try to change minds. It will take more than me. If I alone could make the change, our government would abide by the Constitution and nothing else. That's why those of us with much in common have to fight socialism together. That's how the Socialists did it to us.
193 posted on 11/07/2002 9:22:51 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: ThomasJefferson
BTW, what is YOUR strategy to make it happen? If you punish Republicans to get Libertarians elected, Democrats get elected. When that happens they enact socialist legislation. Then the people get used to it and expect more from the gov't. Then the job of rolling back socialism becomes that much harder.

Our primary job is NOT electing people, it's EDUCATING people.

194 posted on 11/07/2002 9:26:02 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
Our primary job is NOT electing people, it's EDUCATING people.

I'm trying to educate you. That Republicans are playing you like a fiddle. You vote out of fear. They scare you with the spectre of Democrats being elected. Then they do precisely what the Democrats would have done. It's ludicrious.

Your idea of the function of parties is incorrect. The primary job of political parties is not education. The primary job of political parties is to elect people.

Educating people is the primary job of other organisations. Think tanks and the like.

195 posted on 11/07/2002 9:38:55 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: logic101.net
Why are Libetarians considered to be a RIGHT wing party?
196 posted on 11/07/2002 9:43:29 AM PST by Letitring
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To: logic101.net
How are the Libertarians funded?
197 posted on 11/07/2002 9:45:50 AM PST by Letitring
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To: ThomasJefferson
I didn't say it was the Party's job to educate people I said it was OUR job. Here, let me show you:

Our primary job is NOT electing people, it's EDUCATING people.

I don't work for a party.

198 posted on 11/07/2002 9:45:58 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Letitring
Why are Libetarians considered to be a RIGHT wing party?

They are only concidered that by people who are ignorant of political theory. They are not LEFT wing either.

199 posted on 11/07/2002 9:46:17 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I always thought they had elements of both. I tend to favor many Libertarian tenents, and since I hate socialism, I believe the, especially during political warfare, "enemy of my enemy is my friend". That's how we won WWII, siding with the Soviets.
200 posted on 11/07/2002 9:49:24 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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