Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
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I don't see any disconnect here. hchutch has his/her opinion, and I have mine. Freepers aren't lockstep and monolithic in thought, action, and reason, which is considered in some quarters to be a good thing.
(And, the daily paper runs .50 around here - not a quarter).
Republicans have only themselves and their performance to look to in the areas they lost, that coupled with the strength of any they find opposing them on the ballot -- a Constitutional right.
Even in races where the Libertarian candidate withdrew, and then endorsed a Republican, some LP voters still voted LP. (See South Dakota)
That is because, just like Republicans have pro-abortion-soccer-moms and RINOs in their ranks, the LP has anarchists and One-World hedonists in their's.
If you mean to appeal to small "l" libertarians, within the ranks of broad conservatism, you must first recognize that conservatism and the Republican Party are not synonomus on our side of the coin.
Many Old Whig Conservatives, such as myself, are much more concerned about making the Republican Party members take up our Principles than in having a non-party melding of conservative and libertarians adopt "a platform" as you propose. Many small "l" libertarians might vote for a truely conservative Republican Candidate, just like they vote for a Liberty Caucus Republican -- but it is up to conservative-Republicans to put such a person forward.
We haven't sold conservative ideas to the broad range of Republican voters yet (see Kansas election results --one of our most "Republican" states based on voting history) let alone refined them to the point we can compromise them in trade for conservative-libertarians compromising theirs.
When first you go to the camp-fire to treat -- don't bring complaints of scalpings. Instead, ask the fellow warrior across the burning logs if it warmed his heart to see the trashcan on Carvilles head. If the answer is yes, build from there.
Just my humble opinion.
This post tells me two things. 1. You are obviously a graduate of our fine Govt. schools. 2.You're so full of your party's victory you will not understand that the G.O.P. is in danger of becoming something of a moderate politcal party. I understand that in this country we should have two party system. But as I see it we now have the liberal left, and the conservative middle. If you want the support of Liertarians I humbly suggest that it is PUT UP OR SHUT UP Time ! If the republicans hold true to their name it is time to give back power to the states, and begin the immediate downsizing of the Imperial Federal Government.IMHO you guys have two years to mend the split between the gop and the libertarians.Actually follow the constitution or be prepared for a third party to eat up some of you're precious votes.
Too bad. I don't sew! (Nor would I want to learn for this purpose.)
Libertarians are conservitives who haven't grown up, they don't realize that. Look at Carla Howells vote totals in Mass, For Senetor and for Gov. Those people think that a protest vote is for real, grow up.
The Mafia, the Bloods, and the Krips all pine for a smaller government, too, but we don't call them 'conservatives' on that account. If you seek a smaller government then demand that others adhere to the kindness of religious morality.
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