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Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians
http://www.votenorman.org ^ | ?/?/2002 | Clarence Young

Posted on 11/01/2002 1:12:37 PM PST by winner45

Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians

....even if you don’t like them!

1..Libertarians understand that freedom requires responsibility. Freedom can be denied to those who harm others or the property of others.

2..Libertarians ALWAYS vote against tax increases and ALWAYS vote for freedom.

3..Libertarians understand that freedom and equality go hand in hand. Your freedom to live as you please is given to you by the same authority which gives freedom to the persons who may have different lifestyles. You have to give them their freedom to do that to obtain your freedom.

4..Your freedom is not given by the Constitution. It is given from a higher power. Libertarians understand that the Constitution merely sets it down on paper.

5..Libertarians understand that God is of libertarian spirit. He gave humanity free will. He could have just as easily made humanity incapable of free choice. It is kind of arrogant for government to deny the freedom that God Himself has given. When the Israelites wanted a king, God was offended. Laws by man are petty and inferior.

6..If you are unhappy with both Democrats and Republicans, register your unhappiness with a vote for a Libertarian. If a Libertarian got 30% of the vote, it would scare the pants off of the ruling class. They would become more receptive to reason.

7..Libertarians understand that a good society is built upon hard working individuals doing their best in a responsible way. It seems that the ruling parties think that a good society is built upon government group efforts wherein people work (shirk) together.

8..Libertarians understand that the Bill of Rights is as relevant and crucially important today as it was over 200 years ago. Libertarians even think that our government should start observing it once more.

9..Libertarians realize that freedom has many limitations. The winners of elections do not have the right to lord the will of the majority over the rights of the minorities.

10..Libertarians are the only political people that believe that 98% of our citizens are morally good enough and intelligent enough to run their own lives. Basic laws are there to protect us from the other 2%.


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To: seanc623
This is what drives me crazy about Republicans. When we Libertarians criticize your stands we use facts, like the actual planks of the GOP platform. You just makes things up without anything backing up your statements. So please show me where in the LP platform it says we won't have a military.

Read the Libertarian Party's platform on the military: http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/milipoli.html

They call for withdrawal of US military personnel from all foreign countries without regard for our strategic national interests. They want us to remove our nukes from Europe. They want multi-lateral nuclear disarmament. They want our military solely focused on self-defense of US soil.

Meanwhile, back in reality, if the Chinese attack Taiwan or the Russians invade Berlin or Iraq invades Kuwait or North Korea rolls into South Korea, we're supposed to bend over and take it up the rear. No matter how you slice it, it amounts to the demobilization and dismantling of the US military. It's like some kind of anachronistic 18th-century crackpipe proposal. Our nation doesn't exist in a vacuum. We have international trade that isn't going away. Our allies are subject to competitive military threats. These same threats indirectly affect our national interests. You can't turn back the clock here. The genie is out of the bottle. Chinese nukes can reach U.S. soil. Are we supposed to just cover our eyes and forget about it? Oh, right. Harry Browne will save us. Silly me.
361 posted on 11/05/2002 11:50:36 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
They want our military solely focused on self-defense of US soil.

They call for withdrawal of US military personnel from all foreign countries...They want us to remove our nukes from Europe.

Yes what strange ideas! Where could we have gotten them from? Could it be...maybe...the Constitution?

362 posted on 11/05/2002 12:07:06 PM PST by seanc623
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To: Bush2000
So please show me where in the LP platform it says we won't have a military.

Read the Libertarian Party's platform on the military: http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/milipoli.html

You didn't answer my question; where does it say we won't have a military?

363 posted on 11/05/2002 12:09:59 PM PST by seanc623
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To: Bush2000

without regard for our strategic national interests.

The only LEGITIMATE strategic national interests we have are defined by the Constitution, not the Federal Reserve and related warmongers.

364 posted on 11/05/2002 12:13:14 PM PST by seanc623
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To: Bush2000

Meanwhile, back in reality, if the Chinese attack Taiwan or the Russians invade Berlin or Iraq invades Kuwait or North Korea rolls into South Korea, we're supposed to bend over and take it up the rear.

No, the only way we "take it up the rear," is when we abandon our Constitution and sacrifice our military on the altar of the socialist New World Order.

365 posted on 11/05/2002 12:16:24 PM PST by seanc623
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To: seanc623
You didn't answer my question; where does it say we won't have a military?

I've already answered your question: Our national interests are bigger than the border of our country. If Iraq or some other loser nation decides it wants to stop the flow of oil to our country by military means and you're solely defending our borders, do you honestly believe that is an effective "defense"? Of course not. It's tantamount to not even having a military at all. And that is precisely my point. Libertarians want to roll back the clock on our role in the world at a time when it is simply impossible to do so.
366 posted on 11/05/2002 12:19:07 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: EBUCK

Is not the territory of the United States in essence our private property? If not, who does it belong to..the people of the world? And what of people that personally own property on the border...don't we have an obligation to protect their property rights?

US territory is definitely not our private property. As far as the people who live on our side of the border they have the obligation to protect their own property rights as much as possible. If the Mexican army were to invade their land that would be different but that's not happening nor will it.

And despite what some conservatives say illegal aliens are not an invading army.

367 posted on 11/05/2002 12:20:56 PM PST by seanc623
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To: seanc623
No, the only way we "take it up the rear," is when we abandon our Constitution and sacrifice our military on the altar of the socialist New World Order...

...he said, as he blithely filled the tank of his foreign-made SUV with foreign-originating gas, wearing his designer-label Italian shirts, after picking up a bottle of imported French wine.
368 posted on 11/05/2002 12:21:04 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: seanc623
Well, you told me that all US teritory is not actually ours but you didn't answer the question of who it actually belongs to...

And despite what some conservatives say illegal aliens are not an invading army.

Good preemptive comment. Although I disagree at least I don't need to post my reasons.

EBUCK

369 posted on 11/05/2002 12:31:45 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Bush2000
...he said, as he blithely filled the tank of his foreign-made SUV with foreign-originating gas, wearing his designer-label Italian shirts, after picking up a bottle of imported French wine.

All made possible by the United States occupation of better than 100 nations?

Did it ever occur to you that international trade would take place without our occupation of the world?

EBUCK

370 posted on 11/05/2002 12:34:02 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Bush2000

I've already answered your question: Our national interests are bigger than the border of our country.

As far as national interests are concerned see my previous post.

If Iraq or some other loser nation decides it wants to stop the flow of oil to our country by military means and you're solely defending our borders, do you honestly believe that is an effective "defense"?

This is an interesting point, one that also came up when Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries "nationalized" their oil fields, effectively confiscating American property. The proper response for those American companies would have been to A) Sue the Saudi royal family in American courts for damages or B) Have their own private army (mercenaries) defend their property in these countries.

The wrong response is what you're suggesting- that our military bail out these oil companies who knew the risks they were taking setting up shop in these countries. If the Founders wanted the US military to have that role they would have written it into the Constitution. Many in the international banking community think our military should be at the disposal of private industry to protect their risky investments. They're wrong.

371 posted on 11/05/2002 12:34:33 PM PST by seanc623
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To: EBUCK
Well, you told me that all US teritory is not actually ours but you didn't answer the question of who it actually belongs to...

The territory belongs to the government which is not the same thing as it belonging to "us". If it belonged to you and me we'd be able to do whatever we wanted with it like our private property so clearly it isn't. When land belongs to "everybody," it really belongs to nobody. Nobody except the government bureaucrats who mismanage it (re the wildfires this year).

372 posted on 11/05/2002 12:38:10 PM PST by seanc623
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To: EBUCK

Good preemptive comment. Although I disagree at least I don't need to post my reasons.

Why do you disagree? Illegals aren't armed, trained soldiers coming to take our land for Mexico, are they?

373 posted on 11/05/2002 12:40:19 PM PST by seanc623
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To: Bush2000

...he said, as he blithely filled the tank of his foreign-made SUV with foreign-originating gas, wearing his designer-label Italian shirts, after picking up a bottle of imported French wine.

The socialist New World Order doesn't provide us with any of those things. It provides us with unconstitutional wars or "police actions," and bigger government. Free trade provides everything you mentioned and more (products and services).

374 posted on 11/05/2002 12:43:47 PM PST by seanc623
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To: seanc623
Land belongs to the government....government (in theory anyway) belongs to the people. Ownership by proxy.

The people pay taxes to defend their property (since in essence the gubment cannot actually own property..i.e. publicly owned). Therefore the people have the right to demand that their property be defended from tresspass (which is actually the current laws basis).

Of course the reality is that gubment ownes and operates the property (envirals, an excelent example btw...My page) to meet whatever goals gubment decides is propper. But theory and practice are rarely similar in gubment policy.

EBUCK

375 posted on 11/05/2002 12:44:45 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: seanc623
Illegals aren't armed,

Some in fact are.

trained soldiers coming to take our land for Mexico

Boy you need to read up a bit more on what has been happening down there recently. And you live in SD?

, are they?

Yup, they are. Not to mention the theft of my property conducted thru the US gubs armed robbery and re-distribution programs.

EBUCK

376 posted on 11/05/2002 12:48:38 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Bush2000

It's like some kind of anachronistic 18th-century crackpipe proposal.

Hmmm...like inalienable rights? Or how about "peace and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none?" NATO, anyone?

377 posted on 11/05/2002 12:48:58 PM PST by seanc623
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To: seanc623
The socialist New World Order doesn't provide us with any of those things. It provides us with unconstitutional wars or "police actions," and bigger government. Free trade provides everything you mentioned and more (products and services).

What do you think enforces free trade? Good intentions? Harsh rhetoric? Angry thoughts? Sanctions? Good grief, Libertarians are delusional to such an extreme that they don't even know the price of free trade (Hint: Foreign Military Deployment, which you've already ruled out).
378 posted on 11/05/2002 12:49:42 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: EBUCK

Illegals aren't armed,

Some in fact are

You're taking my reply out of context by chopping it up. The fact is they aren't invading our country to take it over for Mexico, they're trying to escape that country for a better life here.

379 posted on 11/05/2002 12:55:13 PM PST by seanc623
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To: seanc623
Hmmm...like inalienable rights? Or how about "peace and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none?" NATO, anyone?

Funny that you should bring up the Constitution. I wonder what Mr. Jefferson, one of our Founders, was thinking when he sent warships to attack the Barbary pirates off of Tripoli for attacking our ships and hindering trade. Dude, you're beating the wrong drum. There are ample historic precendents to show that the Founders agreed completely with my view that our national interests are not limited by our borders. The fact that Libertarians have to reach outside the Founder's intentions shows how intellectually bankrupt and reactionary you are.
380 posted on 11/05/2002 12:56:06 PM PST by Bush2000
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