Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians

http://www.votenorman.org ^ | ?/?/2002 | Clarence Young

[winner45]

Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians

....even if you don’t like them!

1..Libertarians understand that freedom requires responsibility. Freedom can be denied to those who harm others or the property of others.

2..Libertarians ALWAYS vote against tax increases and ALWAYS vote for freedom.

3..Libertarians understand that freedom and equality go hand in hand. Your freedom to live as you please is given to you by the same authority which gives freedom to the persons who may have different lifestyles. You have to give them their freedom to do that to obtain your freedom.

4..Your freedom is not given by the Constitution. It is given from a higher power. Libertarians understand that the Constitution merely sets it down on paper.

5..Libertarians understand that God is of libertarian spirit. He gave humanity free will. He could have just as easily made humanity incapable of free choice. It is kind of arrogant for government to deny the freedom that God Himself has given. When the Israelites wanted a king, God was offended. Laws by man are petty and inferior.

6..If you are unhappy with both Democrats and Republicans, register your unhappiness with a vote for a Libertarian. If a Libertarian got 30% of the vote, it would scare the pants off of the ruling class. They would become more receptive to reason.

7..Libertarians understand that a good society is built upon hard working individuals doing their best in a responsible way. It seems that the ruling parties think that a good society is built upon government group efforts wherein people work (shirk) together.

8..Libertarians understand that the Bill of Rights is as relevant and crucially important today as it was over 200 years ago. Libertarians even think that our government should start observing it once more.

9..Libertarians realize that freedom has many limitations. The winners of elections do not have the right to lord the will of the majority over the rights of the minorities.

10..Libertarians are the only political people that believe that 98% of our citizens are morally good enough and intelligent enough to run their own lives. Basic laws are there to protect us from the other 2%.

[redrock]

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."
-- Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

...just a quote for those so addicted to the Republican Party that they give up their freedom to choose...

redrock

[Cincinatus]

"Irrelevant". - Discribes all your posts on this thread for the last few hours. So does 'obsessed'.

Then none of them matter, so what do you care? Maybe you can "discribe" exactly how they're irrelevant, since the topics at hand are reasons to vote for Libertarians.

Why are you so busy beating a dead horse if libertarians are 'unimportant/irrelevant'?

I'm not busy -- I'm doing this in my spare time. Anyway, what's being done here is called "having a conversation," something I would imagine is beyond your experience, which would appear to consist solely of monologues with yourself.

Could it be you really don't have political principles, and can't stand to be told so? - Hmmmm?

Could it be that you're really a moron and don't know it? -- Hmmmm???

[passport2]

1. You've thrown away your vote on a candidate who will never be elected.

Just a follow up on the absurdity of your reasoning. Would voting in the old USSR would have made you ecstatic? If all voters here were to cleave to this philosophy eventually you would get your wish as we will have only one candidate. Preventing this is the value of the principled (libertarian) voter.

[Cincinatus]

If you think that America in 2002 is like the USSR of old, then you are either a) astonishingly ignorant (to be generous) or b) a nitwit of transcendent magnitude. I neither know nor care which.

[tpaine]

"Irrelevant". - Discribes all your posts on this thread for the last few hours. So does 'obsessed'.

Then none of them matter, so what do you care?

I don't. Exactly my point. Thanks for conceding it.

Maybe you can "discribe" exactly how they're irrelevant, since the topics at hand are reasons to vote for Libertarians.

No need, as you are so obsessed that your comments are obviously inane, as others here have told you.

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Why are you so busy beating a dead horse if libertarians are 'unimportant/irrelevant'?

I'm not busy -- I'm doing this in my spare time. Anyway, what's being done here is called "having a conversation," something I would imagine is beyond your experience, which would appear to consist solely of monologues with yourself.

Yep, it's clear that you "imagine" many things about libertarians. Thus my observation on your obsessed conduct.

It's now apparent you really don't have political principles, and can't stand to be told so. - Thanks again.

[dcwusmc]

Obviously he is a Pubbie. He has not yet learned that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Yet you keep telling us how much things will change if only we vote for ANYBODY with an (R) after their name. Please point out just what changed when the pubbies gained a majority under x-42 and what changed when Dubya was elected. Oh, was it more of the same? Then WHOSE VOTE IS WASTED?

[El Sordo]

"No flame -- just an observation. One reason NOT to vote Libertarian:

1. You've thrown away your vote on a candidate who will never be elected.

So....

Voting for a Libertarian is throwing your vote away because they will never be elected. And the reason that they will never be elected is because no one votes for them, as it would be throwing your vote away.

QED

[dcwusmc]

You are hereby invited to show me (and all of us) just where the Constitution authorized these alphabet-soup agencies. And if you try to invoke the Commerce Clause or the "general welfare" clause, you get slapped with a dead mackeral. As the supremes are starting to realize, Congress and the Executive have been way out of line in using those to "defend" unConstitutional actions.

[wimpycat]

Jeez Louise, but you're dense.

Read my post #225, since you didn't bother to read it at all before you started running off at the mouth.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Please point out just what changed when the pubbies gained a majority under x-42 and what changed when Dubya was elected. Oh, was it more of the same? Then WHOSE VOTE IS WASTED?

Yours is the kind of broad-brush thinking that drives people like me crazy. (Did you get a tax cut? Ever hear of welfare reform? Were you satisfied having the Oval Office used as a rehearsal space for a porn flick?)

No, YOU would rather vote for what you know you can't achieve, and in so doing, you give yourself and the rest of us the gift of a Democratic house, senate and presidency. That may be good enough for you (you buy yourself little more than a license to whine, of course), but as for me, NO THANK YOU.

Did you read this post? You need to.

[Commander8]

Four Reasons I Don't Always Vote Libertarian.
1. Libertarians are double minded on abortion.
2. Libertarians are unable to comprehend that open borders, and trade with countries that have nukes pointed at their country amounts to national suicide.
3. Libertarians are obsessed with drug legalization. That is all most of them talk about. You could talk to them about baked ham and they would ramble about how there is some secret pot field that grows weed exclusively for the Congress, President and Supreme Court and how it's not fair that ordinary citizens are not allowed to toke up.
4. Libertarians beleive that the bisexual swinging lifestyle is compatible with right wing thought because they read to many Heinlein novels.

[Wolfstar]

Thank you.

[Temple Owl]

No flame. Even a partial agreement. I call on all left-wing liberal Democrats to vote Libertarian. The rest should do the right thing and vote for conservative Republicans.

[dcwusmc]

Does the USA-PATRIOT act ring a bell? Passed by Pubbies at the behest of a Pubbie AG and Pres. Or the so-called Campaign Reform act? Signed by Dubya after he promised a veto... And the so-called tax cuts that don't take effect for years, then end and could be abandoned at a moment's notice... meaningless. But all this Unconstitutional stuff doesn't mean shit to you. So go read the Constitution and get back to me when you UNDERSTAND IT.

[dcwusmc]

Apparently it's not a long drive, then. What tax cut? The one that doesn't take effect for a few more years, could be abandoned by any Congress that wants to, and ENDS quite shortly after it starts, especally the "death" tax? You mean THAT tax cut? Welfare reform that even the Pubbies are "fixing" again? The one the Bent One took credit for and then the Pubbies bailed on their TRUE CONSERVATIVE platform that got them elected in the first place? Remember the Contract With America that GOT them elected? Now they're RATS-lite so who needs Lite RATS when you can have the real thing for just a LITTLE more money...
Sorry, your whines mean nothing because your Pubbies are spineless, limp-wristed versions of the Dems. Thanks but no thanks. If I want a DEM, I'll vote for a REAL Dem, not RAT-Lite. I want NEITHER. I want someone who will actually ROLL BACK FedGov. Your party, the DemaPubs, or RepoRATS, won't even pretend to anymore.

[dcwusmc]

First, RIGHTS are God-Given. If Government gives it,government can change it, so it is not a RIGHT. It's a grant or a privilege or an "entitlement" or whatever but not a RIGHT. Rights are equal to ALL and can only be recognized or violated by government. NOT bestowed. The definition has been corrupted because it is most surely in government's interest to have the people look to IT as the source of every good thing. However, it is most decidedly NOT in our interests that this be so, as government, which produces NOTHING, can only get the wherewithal to provide for one group by robbing another. Read Bastiat's The Law and you'll be treated to a most worthy discussion of the topic.
RIGHTS cannot conflict. I cannot have a RIGHT to something that belongs to another. I can get government to steal it from you, keep a part of the spoils for itself and give the rest to me... but what is that but legalized plunder? Surely it is not a RIGHT. RIGHTS are not subject to a vote by anyone. Else they are PRIVILEGES which are subject to modification or revocation by any government thug who comes down the pike. So, yes, RIGHTS are INALIENABLE by their very nature.

[dcwusmc]

Second, the BoR cannot be changed without the whole contract that is the Constitution becoming null and void, because it was the passage of such a bill that conditioned acceptance and ratification of the whole package. Read the various State ratification documents. There are many who will disagree with this assessment, but I believe it is the only valid one, based on the writings at the time of ratification. And the Second Amendment would STILL be valid if it WERE removed from the Constitution, as it is NOT GRANTED BY that document. It is granted by God and ignored by government at its peril.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I want someone who will actually ROLL BACK FedGov. Your party, the DemaPubs, or RepoRATS, won't even pretend to anymore.

If we have another Clinton presidency - this time Hillary - because of people like you (and it could happen), I damn well hope you're proud of yourself. I probably agree with you on a lot of things, but because that is where you will take this country, you are my political enemy. I never want to see that happen, and I will fight it every step of the way.

[dcwusmc]

You got that right, the emperor has no clothes... and you are wearing his name.

And a WASTED vote is one that goes to a RAT-lite instead of someone committed to rolling back FedGov. THAT is a waste. Me, I won't even bother to vote. There is NO ONE that I can vote for and face myself in the mirror the next morning. So is MY vote "wasted?"

[dcwusmc]

If you want fedgov rolled back, vote for somebody who's committed to doing that very thing. If you want to go from New York City to Richmond, Virginia, would you get on a train to San Francisco?