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BS!!! No flame war. Just people describing their reactions to this monstrosity. Allow me to point out that Catholic does NOT mean Christian. It means *community*, and there is NOTHING Christian about this attempt to duplicate the Temple of Solomen as any aerial view will show precisely, but without the mosques.
However, outdoing the sizes of any other chuches in the US, surely sounds Islamic to me...not to mention the absolutely pagan symbology connected with every single thing that has to do with this tourist trap.

Origional article:

"Our Lady of the Angles" LA's New Cathedral (complete w/ gift shop & snack bar)
Associated Press// The Cincinnatti Enquirer | September 02, 2002 | Paul Wilborn

Posted on 09/02/2002 7:12 AM Pacific by yankeedame

SEPTEMBER 02, 05:33 ET

Cathedral Opens Its Doors

PAUL WILBORN, Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The opening of the first new U.S. Cathedral in 25 years comes as the Roman Catholic church deals with economic problems and a sex abuse scandal, but leaders say the landmark building is just what is needed during these turbulent times.

The $195 million Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral — intentionally a foot longer than New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral — was scheduled to open Monday at a dedication that was to draw on the diverse backgrounds of the community.

Cardinal Roger Mahony, the leader of the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, said the cathedral is symbolic of the church's ability to withstand the turmoil.

``A cathedral is timeless in terms of human joys and difficulties,'' Mahony said. ``We've had over the course of time and history many saints and sinners in the church. The cathedral stands as its own reflection of God's presence.''

(Personal note: WHERE is G-d's presence??? It sure ain't on the doors.)

Protesters angered by the church's handling of sex abuse allegations were expected among the thousands of priests and visitors during the dedication ceremony outside the cathedrals' thick, adobe-colored walls.

The cathedral is Spanish architect Rafael Moneo's postmodern interpretation of California's original Spanish missions, including sloping floors, high ceilings and muted tapestries that depict saints and worshippers.

Artists and designers have added symbols from diverse beliefs and languages as a way of welcoming everyone, Mahony said.

The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world, and a disc-like water sculpture in the entry is inscribed with the biblical phrase ``I will give you living water'' in the 37 languages in which Mass is celebrated throughout the archdiocese.

A procession of 565 priests, bishops, archbishops and cardinals was to cross the cathedral plaza and walk down the 333-foot-long nave. Mahony, five bishops and a monsignor planned to bless the building.

Built on a hill overlooking the traffic-choked Hollywood Freeway, the cathedral also stands as a reflection of Mahony's commitment to the city's downtown.

Along with drawing from California's 9 million Catholics, it is expected to draw tourists from Europe, South America and Asia and become a focal point for redevelopment of downtown.

There are no official projections, but tourism officials hope the number will top the 6 million people that visit St. Patrick's each year. The Staples Center, home of the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers, is nearby, and the Disney Concert Hall is expected to open late next year

``The cathedral is another crown jewel in downtown,'' said Carol Schatz, of the Central City Association, a downtown development group. ``What brings downtowns back to life are a number of things, but one is architectural masterpieces that give people a reason to come downtown.''

The church itself has struggled financially as the stock market decline has taken a deep bite out of the archdiocese's budget, forcing cuts for ministry and education by as much as 30 percent and a scaling back of the opening celebrations.

Most of the $195 million to build the cathedral was raised through private donations. A 6,000-space mausoleum, built beneath the cathedral, along with a gift shop, restaurant, conference center and a 600-car parking garage should cover most expenses, Mahony said.

The design has drawn mixed reviews from the community.

Bill Scott, a county employee who has watched the cathedral rise across the street from his office, said he doesn't know what to make of it. ``It doesn't look like a church,'' he said. ``It looks more like a fortress ... or a prison.''

(Personal Note: It IS a fortress!!!)

Max DeMoss, a Riverside artist who created a number of pieces for the cathedral, agreed with the fortress description but said, he also gets ``a sense of exhilaration as I approach it.''

The cardinal, who lives in a second-floor apartment that overlooks the plaza, said he is pleased with the finished product.

``The inside has a warmth and prayerfulness and peacefulness to it that I wasn't sure we would reach,'' he said. ``I just couldn't be more pleased.''

Still daunting, though, is the shadow of the sex abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.

``While Cardinal Mahony is celebrating his building, we'll be there to expose the lies and deceptions and deceit, which has been the foundation many victims have experienced in the church,'' said Mary Grant, who heads a Southern California chapter of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests.

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Do some research on those *deities*. They are not only pagan, but some of the panels also show instruments of torture used by inquisitors. This is pathetic and pagan. What's worse, it even seems to be satanic.

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PING!

[Leper Messiah]

What, no pics ?

[2sheep]

You are right.  It is occultic.  So is the United Nations, but it doesn't pretend to be Christian.

Original thread:  "Our Lady of the Angles" LA's New Cathedral (complete w/ gift shop & snack bar)

Photo tour -- LA times
 

• 1st Commandment:  Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

• 2nd Commandment:  Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: :5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; :6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Symbols (GRAVEN IMAGES) on the bronze door:

    1. Goose
    2. Southwest Indian Flying Serpent
    3. Chumash Man
    4. Peacock Barge
    5. Griffin
    6. Chinese Turtle
    7. Ibis
    8. Griffin
    9. Fish
    10. Hand of God
    11. Eagle (St. John the Evangelist)
    12. Dove
    13. Bee
    14. Celtic Serpents
    15. Stag
    16. Croatian Cross
    17. Chumash Condor
    18. Peacock
    19. Falling Man
    20. Tree of Jesse
    21. Energy (soul)
    22. Lion
    23. Water
    24. Lamb
    25. Hand (listening symbol)
    26. Chinese/Japanese Heaven Symbol
    27. Pair of Ostriches
    28. Rooster
    29. Bull (St. Luke the Evangelist)
    30. Trefoil (Celtic Trinity)
    31. Dog
    32. Sicilian Legs (regeneration symbol)
    33. Bull
    34. Serpent/Dragon
    35. I Ching/Ti Chi
    36. Samoan Kava Bowl
    37. Foot
    38. Celtic Monster
    39. Raven Eating Man's Liver
    40. Dolphin

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-Please note Crescent Moon=Druid. So is the Stag. Among other religions this one swallowed up.

Left Inner Door, beginning first row on left, top to bottom)
1. Goose
2. Southwest Indian Flying Serpent
3. Chumash Man
4. Peacock Barge
5. Griffin
6. Chinese Turtle
7. Ibis
8. Griffin
9. Fish
10. Hand of God
11. Eagle (St. John the Evangelist)
12. Dove
13. Bee
14. Celtic Serpents
15. Stag
16. Croatian Cross
17. Chumash Condor
18. Peacock
19. Falling Man
20. Tree of Jesse
(Right Inner Door, beginning first row, top to bottom)
21. Energy (soul)
22. Lion
23. Water
24. Lamb
25. Hand (listening symbol)
26. Chinese/Japanese Heaven Symbol
27. Pair of Ostriches
28. Rooster
29. Bull (St. Luke the Evangelist)
30. Trefoil (Celtic Trinity)
31. Dog
32. Sicilian Legs (regeneration symbol)
33. Bull
34. Serpent/Dragon
35. I Ching/Ti Chi
36. Samoan Kava Bowl
37. Foot
38. Celtic Monster
39. Raven Eating Man's Liver
40. Dolphin

To Aerial view

[Nix 2]

Temple of Solomen=Temple of Solomon. GEEZ!

[SJackson]

Interesting. Thanks for the ping.

[Marianne]

BTTT

[Bogey78O]

This thread is locked?

[Bogey78O]

I better not reply then

8)

[x-navy seal]

Your right- it would be a waste of time to reply to a locked thread!

[RnMomof7]

So many gods so little time!

[monkeyshine]

Looks pagan to me. Not that I think Catholics are pagans, but what's the deal with this particular church? It is bizarre alright.

[UCANSEE2]

I heard the Van Dam's were members here. You have to sacrifice a female virgin child to get in though.

[Palladin]

Well, it makes a nice big fat target for Al Qu'aida. Preferably when Mahony is standing at the altar.

[Enemy Of The State]

i heard a rumor that this thread was locked?

[westmex]

Locked?????