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To: BuddhaBoy
Are you seriously suggesting that America was a better place 200 years ago? Back when women were not allowed to vote, and indoor plumbing was only a dream?

If women were allowed to vote for the same groups as men, yes. But Senators and the POTUS were elected internally by the legislative bodies we put into place. It adds a buffer zone, so certain leaders would be about the business of the nation as the Founders suggested. I'd go one step better and push for Franklin's suggestion of not paying these men. They would do it as a service and you wouldn't have political lifers. Campaign finance reform would fix itself quite quickly I imagine

America will continue to get better AND worse at the same pace, cancelling out the extreme on either side. From your perspective, why not consider Porn as the price one pays for having the Internet?

I'm not saying the technology is bad. What I am saying and being attacked for quite freely (and I thought conservative meant socially as well as fiscally, silly me) is that the laxation of moral STATES laws that were in place up until this century prevented the growth of any of these industries in the first place!! But with more 'freedom' we have only entrapped ourselves into a spiralling trap. The more 'free' we become, the more the next step has to be taken to excite us, thrill us.

It's the same principle of driving a car. You want to be thrilled? Drive 100 MPH. It's fun, and I imagine for a few months you would be excited at that level. Sooner or later though, you are going to want to go 120, 130 even. At what point do you stop? You will reach a point that even you in your expertise cannot control and will slam into a wall. IF you're lucky and blessed, you'll live through it. If not, well game over you're dead. So how do you prevent it? Human nature is inherently always greedy wanting more. Just as governors are on cars from the manufacturers, the separate and equal states established morality laws, that thank God are still in effect in places in the South and do even sometimes work, to prevent such an action. Not at the general government level, but at the state level, just as some states had established clauses in their constitutions REQUIRING that elected officials believe in God Almighty and of good moral standards. But as this Constitution morphed more and more has been excepted until we are at the point we are today

231 posted on 07/30/2002 3:11:51 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
But with more 'freedom' we have only entrapped ourselves into a spiralling trap. The more 'free' we become, the more the next step has to be taken to excite us, thrill us.

Here is where the whole Freedom thing becomes dangerous for some. I think you are having a hard time with the notion that the idea of Freedom, means the ability to disagree. That disagreement can be regarding someone's personal morality, and to some that is an unacceptable conclusion.

Morality means different things to different people. Why not simply adhere to your OWN personal morality, and allow other theirs?

In your example of driving, I would think that we all decide to accept the consequence of our driving, knowing that every time we do, we take our lives in our hands.

When you use the Internet, you do the same with respect to Pornography. Porn on the Internet is a fact of life, and it is up to each of us to swim in that lake, or walk around it.

Dictating morality for all, rather than one's self, is a dangerous game.

237 posted on 07/30/2002 4:34:26 PM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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