[Dan from Michigan]

I'm going to get flamed here.

I honestly think of it as a grey area. It is, but it isn't. To use the baseball definition - 2nd base. There;s a reason it's only called 2nd base.

(putting on flame suit)

[christine]

ok, then....not flaming, just curious....if your wife (girlfriend) were to engage in oral 'whatever' with another man, would you say it's not sex? otoh, if you were to allow a woman to perform oral 'whatever' on you, would your wife (girlfriend) see it as sex or not?

and just for the sake of argument, what about a woman being the recipient of oral? is that sex? or is that 2nd base?

i personally view those acts as more intimate (and more sexual) than intercourse.

[nopardons]

" SECOND BASE " ? They've moved the bases, a lot, since I was your age, then. LOL