Oral-sex issue hits middle schools (posted 6/10/2002)

Lexington Herald Leader ^ | Jun. 09, 2002 | Valarie Honeycutt Spears

[JediGirl]

I'm most certainly not trying to impress you. I hardly bother trying to impress myself, no less a woman who brings nothing meaningful to debates and resorts to ad hominem attacks.

[nopardons]

Dear, she's already said rather personal things. I didn't try to drag anything at all out of her. She's legally an adult ( even if she's so far removed from being a real adult, as to be laughable !) and she's lecturig real adults , about right and wrong. Why don't you read the entire thread, before making spurious claims ?

Better still, butt out. You are looking sillier and sillier, with each reply.

[yendu bwam]

Fair question. For me, as a religious guy, premarital sex is not a good thing. I have not been perfect in this area, though I have tried (hard) to be. Where I strayed, out of my selfishness, I hurt the women involved, and I regret that deeply. Had I gotten a woman pregnant by accident before marriage, I would never have considered abortion (for me it's murder) and I would have had to raise a child outside of marriage or in a marriage with a woman I wouldn't have chosen as my wife (which would be undoubtedly harmful to my kids). And (I know many will have trouble believing this), I also believe I hurt myself as well by not staying chaste. Why? Because I couldn't say to my wife that I had had the raw strength to save myself for her. In the same way, with regard to women, I do place a high value on virginity for a wife. But I would have considered marrying a woman who, like me, had tried sincerely to stay chaste and pure, but had failed. However, I would not have wanted to marry a woman who essentially went to bed with every man she got to know and dated (the way most people do today). In my mind, such women don't see sex as something special to be preserved and cherished in marriage - but rather as just another activity. If a woman is willing to give it up for all her past dates, it doesn't mean so much anymore in marriage. It loses its specialness and spiritual beauty in marriage. And it becomes divorced from its true design - to create new and wonderful and beautiful human life on this Earth. In short, women (and men) who sleep around devalue sex and end up with less in the end, I think. Again, my life's experience (in observing other people) has corroborated very strongly my religious beliefs. I do believe in God, and I see the wisdom of His rules.

[TightSqueeze]

…one of the most disjointed, illogical, fuzzy replies…

Just wanted you to be aware that just because most free thinking people backed Bush against Gore, don’t get the idea that we agree with all the other silly things a supposed true conservative might propose. For the record, tonight I am sober.

[jlogajan]

I didn't try to drag anything at all out of her.

"Aren't you willing to openly talk about your sex life ? ... why not take this out of the realm of the hypothetical ?"

You were clearly throwing down a double-dare to have her talk about her sex life.

[nopardons]

I didn't call you on your ad hominems and you've made plenty of them. LOL Just which ad hominems, of mine, dear, are you referring to ? That I called you a hypocrite, when you gave a hypocritical reply ?

Being emancipated, as you are, and wanting to be an adult , you can't now fall back on " victimhood " status as an out.

[TightSqueeze]

Nearly all children would be much better off if they had been "goody-two-shoes" and did exactly what their parents told them to do.

And what of all that wasted rock & roll?

[Chemist_Geek]

Being lonely and chaste, and being spiritually empty from sleeping around are two different things IMO.

I beg your pardon, then.

I'll never be certain of the difference, but the dark box of loneliness looks pretty much the same from inside, whatever it looks like on the outside. I have not played at all. The rhetorical question is the traditional one: If I'm getting to the same place, why not take the other road?

[nopardons]

This isn't about President Bush, but nice try . He didn't run as a " pure " Conservative; but, believe what you care to.

The topic, of this thread, happens to be oral sex amongst middle schoolers.

[JediGirl]

The topic, of this thread, happens to be oral sex amongst middle schoolers.

Yes, that is the title---but the thread has evolved

[nopardons]

Getting " turned on ", are you ? Your pious affection , is quiet disengenuous and funny as all get out.

[jlogajan]

Your pious affection , is quiet disengenuous and funny as all get out.

It is funny because it is at your hypocritical expense.

[rwfromkansas]

I don't find french kissing gross....

[TightSqueeze]

The topic, of this thread, happens to be oral sex amongst middle schoolers.

I was merely responding to your smash mouth political crack against libertarians in your post 220#, you are the one who strayed from the topic.

[nopardons]

No, devolved ; thanks in large part to you.

[jlogajan]

No, devolved ; thanks in large part to you.

You gotta work on this whole being bitter thing. It is not a good look.

[Chemnitz]

Confining sex to marriage, which is Scriptural, would eliminate all STD's and illigitimate children (and abortions) in one generation. And people would be much happier. Obviously that cannot take place 100% but it was the norm once. That's why we are seeing so many divorces among younger couples and 50 year anniversaries among older couples.

[Equality 7-2521]

Thank you for your well thought out answer. We aren't that far apart in our end result after all even if we reach it by different methods.

Generally speaking, sexual promiscuity [in a man or woman] indicates a lack of self respect and esteem, which is the primary reason I would not be interested in a relationship with an overly promiscuous woman. That and the fact that there is little point in casual sex considering that self gratification feels [at least physically] almost identical to gratification with a partner. Weighing that against the risks of stds and pregnancies that will most likely bring children into the world who will ultimately have fragmented families, makes promiscuity an unwise choice.

I'm not spirtual so that doesn't enter my equation.

[yendu bwam]

Confining sex to marriage, which is Scriptural, would eliminate all STD's and illigitimate children (and abortions) in one generation. And people would be much happier. Obviously that cannot take place 100% but it was the norm once. That's why we are seeing so many divorces among younger couples and 50 year anniversaries among older couples.

Well, I completely agree with you. My parents are having their 50th anniversary next month. They were virgins when they married, and have been faithful to each other ever since. They have lived wonderful fulfilling lives with each other. My wife and I hope to emulate them. And as for STDs, you are completely correct there as well. The whole AIDs crisis in Africa, as an example, would be virtually eliminated by living by Christian values. It won't happen, but the potential is enormous.

[yendu bwam]

Thanks for your reply as well.