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Police investigation underway after children left behind following arrest at traffic stop in Hazelwood
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Posted on 10/27/2023 10:40:28 AM PDT by algore

HAZELWOOD, Mo. (KMOV) - Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindberg and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.

“What the hell? Who would leave minors in the car by themselves late at night,” is the question JaCee Robertson can’t stop asking.

She was still at her father’s funeral when she got the text from her fiancé that he had been pulled over. She finally reached her children who were hysterical. She drove the route home and found them.

“We see them on the side of the road, with the door open, the headlights on, the car still running,” said Robertson.

Hazelwood Police Chief Hudanick says it is their policy that minors should not be left unattended. The internal investigation will look into use of force from this incident as well as the policy surrounding passengers in the car. First Alert Four is working to learn the status of the offices and additional details of the investigation.

Hibler was released Thursday morning and no charges have been filed surrounding the traffic stop at this time.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: cops; donutwatch; dumb; respectmyauthority; taser; taze
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To: TangoLimaSierra

“had an open warrant”

Apparently not in the past


41 posted on 10/27/2023 1:46:06 PM PDT by stanne
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To: TangoLimaSierra

She did stay to console people

She. Has a primary duty to take care of her kids.


42 posted on 10/27/2023 1:47:17 PM PDT by stanne
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To: algore
Traffic stops for expired plates bring in revenue. This guy got taken in when the PD ran an inquiry for other violations. Most likely the revenue from previous traffic stops paid for the technology and equipment to run checks for other violations.

Too bad there are no fines or penalties for violent crimes.

43 posted on 10/27/2023 2:03:50 PM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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To: stanne
She. Has a primary duty to take care of her kids.

So her husband is not allowed to assume responsibility equally for the kids?

She must spend 24 hours a day with them? Even in school? Do you think entrusting your kids with what passes for teachers nowadays is better than trusting her husband with them?

Is that how it works in your household, assuming you have a spouse and kids?

44 posted on 10/27/2023 2:11:36 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: algore

A sternly worded letter in the file and back on the beat.

Cannot let traffic law violators off easy, tase them and drag them in to teach them a lesson. Children left in the car? The perp should have known better.

Remember, see a cop getting the hell beat out of him, call out to him to dial 911 when he can.

That is what they expect us to do.


45 posted on 10/27/2023 2:37:00 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

“ So her husband is not allowed to assume responsibility equally for the kids?”

You didn’t read the article

Stop wasting my time


46 posted on 10/27/2023 2:53:40 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
You didn’t read the article

I'm the one who had to quote from the article to counter your stupid statements.

Try to keep up.

47 posted on 10/27/2023 3:03:27 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Keep up?
That’s karening

He’s a fiancé. Not a husband. Not the father

Stop talking to me


48 posted on 10/27/2023 3:05:45 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
Stop talking to me

Quit posting to me, dumbass.

49 posted on 10/27/2023 3:35:42 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Name calling.


50 posted on 10/27/2023 3:43:29 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Yeah. Who can afford insurance as it is increasing 15-25% this year. Tag costs going up like crazy, so PoPo response is rough you up, taze you, abandon your children because back the blue. I have no comprehension why people still trust the cops.

I guess all the old farts here still think the police are like Sheriff Andy and aren’t the trigger happy, violent thugs they are. The truth is I am allowed to defend myself against kidnapping, assault, or armed larceny of the nickels i mays still have with our wonderful economy. Put that thug in a tacticool uniform, gun, AR-15 in the front seat and a BADGE then I have to apologize for my face and blood being all over the pavement. Have you ever noticed in all the police videos the cops yelling stop resisting as they beat the snot out of some dude on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back. I guess that’s better than being locked in the back seat of a kidnapper-mobile when a train takes a sudden left turn. I think she ended up surviving. End qualified immunity and require individual boding or insurance. Bad cops are giving the 5% good ones a hard time to remain silent.

Boot lickers and police groupies are just one encounter away from attending their kids or grandkids funeral. The police are out of control unless you’re in their club (family of cops).


51 posted on 10/27/2023 9:44:16 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored )
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To: wgmalabama

Sorry. The mother sent the kids out at midnight trusting the cops to handle things right. Something no one here wants to consider.


52 posted on 10/27/2023 10:22:58 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Coming home from a funeral at 11:30 at night????

NEVER heard of a time like that for a funeral in my whole life.

That said, the cops were WAAAYYYY out of line. This is an inexcusable abuse of power.


53 posted on 10/28/2023 7:42:43 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: metmom

That’s the trouble with hatred

Hate the cops. Hate the press

No one is reading through the lines here

No one

Of course people have heard of mothers letting their kids go off with their fiancés. At midnight

People here will not imagine what happened

So disappointing FR used to be thinkers. It haters

Haven’t heard one intelligent comment on this long thread


54 posted on 10/28/2023 7:47:20 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

What’s to read between the lines over?

The cops may have been justified in their actions UP TO THE POINT OF abandoning the kids in the car on the side of the road.

I don’t *hate* law enforcement but when they are out of line, they are out of line.

Don’t they have any REAL crime to address?


55 posted on 10/28/2023 7:51:40 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: metmom

Everyone here believes the press when it comes to this story

The only explanation I have is blindness

I’m done with the conversation

Completely


56 posted on 10/28/2023 8:04:49 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

What sources do you have that shed a different light on the account?

You have some source of truth that you can prove the media is lying, not that I believe they are giving us all the details?


57 posted on 10/28/2023 9:13:23 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Hieronymus

If you want insurance, buy it. The reason for insurance is to satisfy yourself. It should cover only you and your car. The reason to have laws that mandate insurance, is a kickback to insurance companies. The reason your insurance covers the other guy, and his you is a game lawyers play. Government is simply too large. For that matter, why do you need to purchase tabs every year? Taxes.

In a country that is meant to give maximum freedom, but still prevent anarchy, the insurance racket. Forcing tabs you must pay extravagant fees for, and guaranteed health care are but control devices. They are not benefits, they are a means to an end. Huge oppressive government and control is the goal.

The rebuttal to what I say will be, “if you can’t afford insurance and tabs, take the bus”. Who controls the bus system? Big government funds them, taxes US for them, and gives away free rides. The busses, trains, shuttles are havens for the homeless, drug addicted etc, and lose money. BIG GOVT again.

The rebuttal for mandatory insurance is that people with insurance have to pay for damage that the non-insured cause. Again, that is BIG GOVT at work. They cause the problem, then provide a solution. The costs? Much higher than just leaving people to their own devices.


58 posted on 10/28/2023 10:02:58 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Varda
Midnight funerals, that’s something new to me.

I suspect the term "Funeral Reception" is probably new to you also.....

59 posted on 10/28/2023 10:21:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: algore

They are on mindless autopilot. Robots driven by procedure without ever stopping to think for themselves.


60 posted on 10/29/2023 2:38:27 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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