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Permitless carry laws raise new dilemmas for police officers
Associated Press ^ | October 29, 2022 | Rebecca Reynolds

Posted on 10/29/2022 11:13:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Police saw Carmon Tussey walking briskly toward a crowded Louisville bar carrying a semi-automatic weapon.

With people running away, officers moved in, service weapons drawn. They put the 26-year-old in handcuffs and confiscated his gun. Tussey was later charged with terroristic threatening, wanton endangerment and disorderly conduct, prosecutors said, and could face up to 20 years in prison.

His lawyer says he “was engaged in perfectly legal behavior” in the incident last year, raising a relatively new legal argument in the United States that now stands before the courts to settle.

That’s because Kentucky made it legal in 2019 to carry a gun in public without a permit, joining what is now a majority of states with similar laws. […]

Louisville prosecutors say it was more than just the gun that led police to detain Tussey. The type of weapon, how he carried it, and where he was headed also mattered. A witness also told officers that Tussey was returning to the bar after a verbal altercation.

After he was detained, Tussey told police he “was returning to shoot” the people he fought with, according to the arrest citation. Those comments came later. Simms argued in court that he had given police no legal reason to take him into custody when they did. …

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KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; agitprop; associatedpress; banglist; carmontussey; defundthepolice; kaba; kentucky; nra; panicporn; permitlesscarry; rebeccareynolds; rkba; secondamendment
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1 posted on 10/29/2022 11:13:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai


Police saw Carmon Tussey walking briskly toward a crowded Louisville bar carrying a semi-automatic weapon.

Police saw Carmon Tussey driving briskly toward a crowded Louisville bar driving an SUV...


2 posted on 10/29/2022 11:18:13 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: Olog-hai
Louisville prosecutors say it was more than just the gun that led police to detain Tussey. The type of weapon, how he carried it, and where he was headed also mattered. A witness also told officers that Tussey was returning to the bar after a verbal altercation.
After he was detained, Tussey told police he “was returning to shoot” the people he fought with, according to the arrest citation.


So the guy was exercising his Second Amendment rights and someone objected, and that was probably the person claiming to have had a "verbal altercation" with the defendant. If the man was threatened verbally, does that make it criminal for him to return with a weapon? Cops love charging people with crimes for things that are otherwise perfectly legal by alleging some improper intent. Constitutional rights can be nullified by the cops this way if not checked.
3 posted on 10/29/2022 11:48:45 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Olog-hai

Every legal non-felon should be carrying a firearm or something for their self-defense. And law enforcement should not have immunity for violating citizen constitutional rights.


4 posted on 10/30/2022 12:03:22 AM PDT by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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To: Reno89519

“Constitutional rights” only apply to matters which disturb no one elsew. When they do, the other person(s) rights cut in. Without question. LE can be an intervener or arrester of movement or behavior which interrupts a peaceful process. When someone interrupts mine, the law and its enforcementstarts with me.


5 posted on 10/30/2022 12:33:46 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux ["Let there be Light, God's Light"])
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To: Olog-hai

It all depends upon intent.

One could say that the police were also walking briskly toward the bar with guns drawn.


6 posted on 10/30/2022 12:36:51 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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One could say that the police were also walking briskly toward the bar with guns drawn.

Yep.

7 posted on 10/30/2022 12:46:47 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: Reno89519

Please show me where it says “ except felons “ in the second amendment.


8 posted on 10/30/2022 1:13:22 AM PDT by saturn
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To: Olog-hai

I live in North Carolina, where it is legal to openly carry firearms without a permit. But every day I see alerts where the police are called because someone is carrying a gun. I always wonder why the police respond.

I saw someone walking beside the road carrying a handgun last week. I smiled and waved as I passed by.


9 posted on 10/30/2022 1:21:28 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Dr. Franklin
The display of the gun and that he was returning with the weapon to confront people he had an argument with could support a charge of disorderly conduct. That would be sufficient to justify and immunize the police for stopping him. There is a right to carry firearms, and a right to self defense, but there is no right to go about in a public space with a gun in order to go get people you are mad at because of an argument.
10 posted on 10/30/2022 1:39:40 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Olog-hai

Tussey (guy who had the gun) admitted he was returning to the bar to shoot someone, but he admitted that later, not at the point police stopped him. I guess in order to be sure he was a threat the police needed to wait until he started shooting, otherwise how did they know he was actually a threat? Of course in this case looks like the cops did prevent loss of life, or serious injury, but that’s kind of beside the point legally. Tough call for cops these days.


11 posted on 10/30/2022 1:58:20 AM PDT by Roadrunner383 (;)
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We’ve got only one side of the story.


12 posted on 10/30/2022 2:05:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Dr. Franklin

Yet another example of why the police are the enemy as well.


13 posted on 10/30/2022 2:21:20 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: Reno89519

People need to show some common sense. Its guys like him who will eventually have the law changed back to the way it was.


14 posted on 10/30/2022 2:50:01 AM PDT by roving ( Pronouns- libs/suk)
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The law in michigan has always been open carry is legal. That is what the founders intended. The police eventually figure out how to deal with it.


15 posted on 10/30/2022 3:06:29 AM PDT by exnavy (Grow your faith, and have the courage to use it.)
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To: Olog-hai

“…Shall not be infringed …”

When will the commies and Nazis ever start respecting that this is America and citizens have rights?

(Answer: never…)


16 posted on 10/30/2022 3:13:45 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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Typical BS from American Pravda. This is not “new”. Brandishing, threatening, etc with a gun is and has always been illegal. Its called “assault”.

Most people confuse assault with battery. Battery is any harmful or offensive touching. eg punching, pushing, spitting, etc

Assault is putting a person in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm or death. eg cocking a fist, brandishing a gun, etc.


17 posted on 10/30/2022 3:18:47 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: gitmo

In Connecticut a permit is required but open carry is technically legal. Carry a gun openly with a permit and you will invariably get arrested for disturbing the peace.


18 posted on 10/30/2022 3:44:17 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
Yeah, the media is very concerned about police welfare, that's why the partisan media stooges want the police defunded.

19 posted on 10/30/2022 4:21:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: exnavy

The biggest problem with open carry is that it isn’t done enough. If people became accustomed to seeing the average person carrying and it became the norm, it would soon become no big deal.

Now, since open carry is not the norm, and there are high instances of criminal activity, anytime a person carrying is seen, the intent is unknown.

Make it legal, make it common, and their will be less of an issue.


20 posted on 10/30/2022 4:48:49 AM PDT by offduty (Joe Biden, Commander in Thief)
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