Fact check: Is China the main climate change culprit? [barf]

Deutsche Welle ^ | 06.30.2021 | Uta Steinwehr

[Olog-hai]

… In 2019, China emitted 10.2 billion metric tons of CO₂ — nearly twice as much as the United States (5.3 billion metric tons) — representing nearly 28% of global emissions. […]

… “If you look at only one number, you’re only getting one side of the story,” says Shyla Raghav, vice president of climate change at Conservation International, an environmental organization headquartered in the United States. To get more insight, it’s worth looking at carbon dioxide emissions per capita. […]

In the case of carbon dioxide, it is important to know that from a human perspective, the gas can remain in the atmosphere for an extremely long time: The entire decomposition process takes several hundred thousand years, according to the federal German Environment Agency. Oceans and forests can absorb some of the gas quite quickly — but an estimated 40% of the CO₂ emitted by humans since 1850 has remained in the atmosphere, according to the international study Global Carbon Budget. […]

Robbie Andrew, a senior researcher at the Center for International Climate Research (CICERO) in Norway, said China began producing significant amounts of CO₂ much later when compared to its historical emissions. “China’s emissions really weren’t significant. They didn’t start ramping up until about 2001 when China joined the World Trade Organization, and that gave it access to the world’s markets and that drove their economic boom, particularly focused on producing goods for exports,” said Andrew, who also participated in the Global Carbon Budget study. “There was already a problem before China came along. So, effectively, China did not create the problem.” …

[ifinnegan]

No it’s not real.

If it is there is zero data for it.

If you have some, I’d like to hear it.

The zealots are not able to even present data or answer questions.

So if you have some and could actually present it and discuss it that’d be great.

[Tell It Right]

I 100% agree with you that the zealots are unhinged. But I don't conflate that with the data, which is real. For the record, I also don't conflate warming with pollution. Especially when talking about CO2. CO2 is NOT a pollutant and I hate them talking about it like it is. I agree with maybe 10% of the Dims' push to lower pollution in certain circumstances (i.e. a particular factory). I don't agree with them pushing factories to purchase carbon credits from Al Gore or Tesla, all while claiming it keeps global warming from causing blizzards and such.

I mean, the data at best shows a 1 degree rise across a century or so. Is that warming? Yes. Will it warm enough to make the ancient city of Ephesus back to being a coastal city (it was before the Dark Age and Little Ice Age lowered sea levels)? I don't know. Did all Hell break loose the last two times it warmed like that? Nope. (The next time you read Paul's letter to the Ephesians, think about the fact that it was a port city 2,000 years ago, now is not, evidence the earth has cooled a lot more in the past 2,000 years than it has warmed up.)

[PIF]

The bigger the population, the less emissions, evidently. Convenient. I’m sure this is a CCP approved and paid for author.

[ifinnegan]

Thanks, yes.

I’m actually for decreasing air pollution, who isn’t.

“I Mean, the data at best shows a 1 degree rise across a century or so. Is that warming?”

So it’s claimed.

What is the standard deviation?

How is the data validated?

[Tell It Right]

I’ll see if I can find the data. I had to ignore the tons of “data” from thermometers set too close to air conditioning units and stuff like that. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[glorgau]

Impossible! Most of China’s people aren’t white. Therefore they can’t be to blame.

[Olog-hai]

That’ll be a tough one for the Germans to swallow.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Mao instituted a program in the 1950’s which had people create tens of thousands, if not more, small smelting furnaces in their yards and neighborhoods.

According to this article (A term I use lightly), all the carbon dioxide produced from these home-grown furnaces is still in the atmosphere, now joined by Red China’s modern manufacturing facilities (many of which lack basic CO2 capturing features).

Also you have hundreds of millions of Chinese people who smoke cigarettes and pipes, and have for hundreds of years, if not more. Add this CO2, Carbon Monoxide and Methane discharge to the atmosphere and you get high readings.

An article in “Scientific American”? Retitle this magazine as “Scientific Un-American”. They’ve been that way for decades.