Posted on 02/05/2021 11:55:38 AM PST by Kevmo
The secessionist movement is not about overthrowing and taking control of the federal guvmint. Let them keep their tinhorn dictatorships.
The movement is about seceding, not overtaking. Separation. They keep what they think they have, we keep what we think we have. It is doable.
“Here’s a set of hypotheticals for you. Let’s say you’re a loyal Roman republican with 5 buddies watching Caesar cross the Rubicon with his army, and you know full well what that means for the Roman republic. What is your duty at that point?
Great question. On one hand, obviously if one could kill Caesar, even at the cost of your life, that would be your duty. On the other hand it was, at this point, only a matter of time before someone made themselves king.
It’s all been downhill since Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus
With the way military bases are scattered all over the place there can be no amicable secession. Either one side winds up completely unarmed, or the other side is freaking out because a new “enemy” has all kinds of cool toys, including nukes.
Our side has a trillion bullets. Their side doesn't know what bathroom to use.
The coastal elites have known for decades that at any moment in time, a submarine can surface and fire off nukes at them. They’ve been in range since the early 1950s. It came to a head in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The difference between us and those 5 loyal republic Romans (or loyal Germans against Hitler) is that there is no longer a place to flee to.
The bible predicts the outcome of this in Revelation 13.
I think a better answer is existing states calving off their large metropolitan areas into new states. Nobody secedes from the Union, but Leftist social experiments remain confined to the urbs, rather than the suburbs.
The vague threat of Russian missiles is a little different than the county next door who suddenly says they don’t want to be a part of you and oh we have nukes.
I think that only works if you can prevent them from metastasizing.
It could end up with GREATNESS or MAGAness.
For instance, the invitation to join the new country is widely accepted across Canada, deep into Mexico, and even starts sspreading to Siberia and Greenland.
All those poor illegal aliens would be welcome to 40 acres and a mule in Siberia and Greenland, when the Homestead Act is revised.
We haven’t had a nuclear war since 1945.
Those nukes work great as deterrence.
Sounds to me like your nuke “county next door” is more vague than the Russian threat because nukes are difficult to maintain. They require countrywide resource efforts.
If a state secedes, they will open the propaganda spigot on all broadcasting systems and declare the seceding state to be a racist Nazi bastard that needs to be exterminated.
They will then write the history to make it appear the seceding state was the most disgusting group of humans to ever exist, and it was rightful and proper that they were wiped out.
It's sort of cult like.
It won't matter what you say or how you say it, they will regard an effort to break with Washington DC control as an insurrection, because the word means whatever they want it to mean.
You are not dealing with honest people here, and neither were the earlier secessionists.
They HAVE worked as a deterrent SO FAR.
The county next door is not at all vague. You ever lived anywhere with a rivalry city? Like there’s a lot of flack between Tucson and Phoenix, we don’t like each other. And I guarantee Phoenix, Maricopa county, would freak right out at the idea of Tucson, Pima, having the 3rd largest air force in the world and nukes. There’s nothing vague about the Tucson, Phoenix beef, it hits our budgets and transportation options constantly.
“The principal objection I hear is that this would be ‘too complicated’.”
The Revolutionary War was complicated.
FReepers are perhaps the greatest example of American conservative patriots, but look how many naysayers on this thread.
True, your county maps picture what should be done, but if FReepers represent the best patriotism has to offer, and they find all kinds of excuses to NOT do anything, how is your proposal, Kevmo, going to get anywhere?
Sounds good on paper but counties are subdivisions of the state, and if the red counties can’t overturn their blue governor’s covid mandates, they won’t have much chance seceding
It is easier for a county to secede from a state than a state to secede from the union. It happened with West Virginia.
It is also in the federal statutes.
Not easy to do, but doable... especially to prevent violence.
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/50526/can-a-u-s-county-secede-from-a-u-s-state
The military difference this time around is that both sides would have nukes, and the concentrated wimpy coastal elite cities have far more to luze in a nuke exchange than the rural red counties.
Winners write history, but standoffs like the war of 1812 wherein the phrase “status quo ante bellum” came from, both sides write their own competing histories.
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