[metmom]

They are calling the wrong folks in their mess the *Prots*.

The protestors are not the ones destroying their church.

The protestors are the ones protesting those destroying their church.

Just like Luther did.

He wanted to clean Catholicism up and have it get back to it’s roots, real Catholicism.

For his efforts the church ex-communicated him.

Then Catholics accuse him of leaving to start his own denomination.

Only nuclear grace deception can explain how they can’t see the plain facts in front of them and believe those lies about Luther.

[Luircin]

The most insidious kind of deception is the kind that people want to hear, sadly.

It’s not just Catholics. The lie that you can save yourself be just being ‘not too bad’ is all over in church bodies. I’ve seen dozens of cases where either I or someone in my church has directly told someone that they are saved because Jesus died for them, and then just a few seconds later they’re going on about how they haven’t been bad people with no mention at all of Christ and HIS work.

[Cronos]

With Luther it's not that clear cut. To fully understand the man you must realize that he was very passionate, and believed a lot in himself. he was also untiring and yet capable of the vilest curses - look at his curses towards Calvin and Zwingli

Luther joined the Church due to an oath. He initially wanted to clear up some of the abuses, but his cause was taken up by politicians i.e. the German princelings.

it's not a clear case like Wesley and the Methodists.

We must realize that in many many cases what we term religious disagreements have more than a whiff of politics, culture, language etc. mixed up in it.