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To: jmacusa
I read your posts and am getting a lot of stuff they never taught us in school. I see the "Johnny Rebs" here have gone quiet

More like they get tired of wading through a wall of text to find anything relevant to the point.

The declaration of independence says that people have a right to leave. Everything else is just so much obfuscation of the fundamental principle contested by the war; The right to Independence.

I will also point out that I am not a "Johnny Reb". I have never lived in a Southern State, and I have no family that fought in the conflict. We didn't arrive in this country until the early 1900s.

I am a person that learned bit by bit that we have been fundamentally misled by the winners who wrote the history books. Joe and others seem intent on continuing the effort to mislead us. They probably find it painful to contemplate their ancestors having done a very evil thing.

382 posted on 01/29/2016 9:30:05 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I call you a “Johnny Reb’’ because you obviously are a supporter of the Confederacy.


385 posted on 01/29/2016 9:53:37 AM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; rockrr; jmacusa
DiogenesLamp: "The declaration of independence says that people have a right to leave."

No, only in the case of an unjust Union, where a long list of grievances is not lawfully addressed, thus making separation "necessary".

Since no such conditions existed in November 1860, any "right to leave" was still superseded by obligations accepted with the US Constitution of 1787.

Yes, we all "get" that you are here to insist on an unlimited "right of separation", but that's just nonsense.
It did not exist in 1776 for our Founders, nor in 1787 with the new Constitution, nor in November 1860 in the US Deep South.

395 posted on 01/29/2016 4:28:59 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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