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To: BroJoeK
Thanks for your very informative posts Joe. You're not a Civil War history professor by chance, are you? The question I ask about the possibility of the South winning the war it started and ending slavery if it had won is a bit of a ‘’gotcha question’’. I ask it anyway because after all the fulminations of “The Lost Cause ‘’ crowd it should be obvious that preserving slavery, even if it meant war was what the South intended. Anything less than victory over the North and the preservation of slavery would have been a great betrayal of the thousands who gave their lives to ‘’The Cause’’ and sheer lunacy besides.
335 posted on 01/24/2016 7:29:52 AM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: jmacusa
jmacusa: "You're not a Civil War history professor by chance, are you?"

Thanks, but no, I consider myself a "history buff", meaning I buy & read a lot of history books, but don't write or teach it... except here, of course.
My occupation is "retired" and "self employed" in which I travel a lot -- last week to South Carolina, this week to New York, next week to Kentucky & Indiana, assuming, that is, the fellow I hired to snow-plow my driveway shows up in time... ;-)

jmacusa: "...it should be obvious that preserving slavery, even if it meant war was what the South intended.
Anything less than victory over the North and the preservation of slavery would have been a great betrayal of the thousands who gave their lives..."

An interesting study on this matter is The Hampton Roads Conference in February, 1865.
If you saw the 2012 movie "Lincoln", Hampton Roads is featured there and shows Confederate emissaries refusing to accept freedom for slaves.

But when you look up further historical details, things were not quite so simple.
In actual fact, it was only Confederate President Davis who totally rejected Lincoln's peace terms, and the key item was not so much slavery as reunion with the United States.

But slavery was discussed, to the point where Lincoln offered $400,000,000 to help pay for emancipation.
That too went nowhere.

Bottom line: even very near war's end, when Confederates still could negotiate a much better deal than they got, they utterly refused and fought on a few more months before surrendering unconditionally.

jmacusa: "...and sheer lunacy besides."

Right.

336 posted on 01/24/2016 8:23:32 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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