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To: BroJoeK

Surrender implies the USA ceasing to exist and turning itself over to the CSA. That is ridiculous. Vacating brick pile in the middle of the Cooper River is hardly the USA surrendering.


281 posted on 01/23/2016 8:54:07 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I think that you are underestimating the significance of the Flag flying above that brick pile. The eyes of the nation were on that flag and both Lincoln and Davis felt the pressure. When northerners saw the physical condition of that very flag, after it was lowered by Major Anderson, when he was forced to surrender that brick pile to the “Confederacy”, they united behind Lincoln. And then four years later, Anderson raised that flag back above Fort Sumter.


283 posted on 01/23/2016 9:54:26 AM PST by HandyDandy (Don't make up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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To: central_va
central_va: "Surrender implies the USA ceasing to exist and turning itself over to the CSA.
That is ridiculous."

Of course they did demand 100% abject surrender: of the United States as it existed in 1860, of all Federal properties within reach of secessionists, of such Border Union states as refused to vote for secession (i.e., Missouri), and of any Constitutional process implying "mutual consent" for secession.

Such demands were rejected by both outgoing President Buchanan and incoming President Lincoln.

286 posted on 01/23/2016 9:58:14 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: central_va
Vacating brick pile in the middle of the Cooper River is hardly the USA surrendering.

Indeed. The lengths these False Causers go to is incredible.

The CSA leadership knew the USA leadership quite well. The CSA knew disHonest Abe was a radical and what his agenda was and leaving Sumter in the hands of the yankees would have effectively closed off the port.

The bottom line is, the CSA had just as much claims on federal installations as the north did, even more so since we paid for them.

290 posted on 01/23/2016 10:09:57 AM PST by cowboyway (We're not going to be able to vote our way out of this mess.)
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