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Over 10,000 killed in Kiev’s punitive op - Ukrainian MPs
Russia Today ^ | 8-8-2014 | RT

Posted on 08/08/2014 9:46:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf

More than ten thousand people have been killed in Kiev’s punitive operation in southeastern Ukraine since April, said a Ukrainian parliamentary group. The MPs addressed the president urging to declassify information on citizens killed.

The Ukrainian parliamentary group “For peace and stability” said on Friday that the figure was given by volunteer groups working in the east of the country, ITAR-TASS reported.

“We have estimated that just in the first two weeks of July nearly 2,500 Ukrainian soldiers were killed in the area of the ‘anti-terrorist operation’,” the group said in a statement in the Verhovnaya Rada (Ukraine’s parliament).

“The number of wounded during the same period was more than 5,000 people. Thousands of civilians fell victim to military actions. Most of them died from shrapnel wounds. Thus, the preliminary number of the Ukrainians killed during the anti-terrorist operation, is more than 10,000 people according to our estimates,” said the co-chairman of the parliamentary group, Sergey Gorokhov.

The MPs also addressed Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and the government, urging to “declassify the official data on the amount of people - civilians, Ukrainian soldiers, and everyone who took part in the anti-terrorist operation – who were killed.”

Gorokhov stated that the president receives a report on the people killed in the operation every day, but it is classified. Meanwhile, the families of those missing in the military operation zone petition the government each day in the “hope that their close ones will be found,” he added.

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Supposedly, this happened today. This has been floating around on Twitter all day, but this is the first English-language story on it.

The Sergei Gorokhov mentioned is a Party of Regions RADA member from one of the Lugansk Districts.

I can't yet find anything other than some Tweets about this in English, but the "For Peace and Stability" Rada faction includes 34 members, per Wiki, and was founded on July 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Peace_and_Stability_(parliamentary_faction)

Perhaps one of our Kiev members could shed some light on this claim?

It has been noted numerous times that Kiev greatly under-reports UK Army casualties, and only acknowledges Air Force losses that they can't deny. In addition, they don't acknowledge the losses of Right Sector, the Private Militias, or the National Guard.

So who knows what the real numbers are.

What we do know is there is growing unrest against conscription, especially among the Hungarian Minority.

1 posted on 08/08/2014 9:46:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
It has been noted numerous times that Kiev

The people who do the "noting" are usually lying Russkies (like you) who, as part of their propaganda-psychological warfare, want to convince their victims that they are losing, and are in a hopeless battle, and so they should just submit to Russian tyranny.

Since there aren't very many Ukrainians here, however, I'm not sure what Russia's agents here on FR hope to accomplish.

2 posted on 08/08/2014 9:52:58 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Thanks for the opinion of Ukrinform/Euromaidan PR. I hope they pay you well for it, since they don’t seem to paying anything else.

Now, do you have any real info to add?


3 posted on 08/08/2014 9:59:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Now, do you have any real info to add?

Yeah, I can see your Russkie froth dripping from your mouth. You should do something about it. Too obvious. If you're going to post Russian propaganda on the forum, you need to do a better job hiding what you are.

4 posted on 08/08/2014 10:01:14 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Putin sheds tear for you.

5 posted on 08/08/2014 10:07:35 PM PDT by McGruff (Hows that Hopey Changey Thingy workin out for ya?)
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To: McGruff
Putin sheds tear for you.

You must have shed tears of joy when you posted that anti-semitic link accusing the United States and Israel of committing false flag terror attacks, you PaulBot/Putinista slimeball. A pox on you and all you wretched vermin who infest FR.

6 posted on 08/08/2014 10:09:06 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Insult night at the races....

Perhaps you could tell us who the mentioned MP, Sergei Gorokhov is, since you seem to know everything about everyone??

Or are you just flame trolling, yet again?


7 posted on 08/08/2014 10:13:17 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Or are you just flame trolling, yet again?

You're posting from a Russian propaganda outlet that not only lies about everything to do with Ukraine, but pushes 9/11 Truther conspiracy theories and other anti-American trash.

There is not much to do except insult you for it.

8 posted on 08/08/2014 10:14:47 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Until I see you whining about posts from Ukrainform, (the Ukraine State Propaganda Agency), Ulrinform, Tymchuk’s Facebook Page, censor.net, or any of the other dozen UK Propaganda sites that get posted on FR daily, I’ll continue to ignore you as just a hypocrite flame troll.


9 posted on 08/08/2014 10:17:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
What are you doing here, I told you to go back to your Futurama reruns and let the adults talk.

Someone who one day says Ukrainian MPs are saints who threw off the yoke of evil and the next slanders any of them who deviate from the Kiev party line is too dim a bulb to discuss real-world issues.

I mean, Gawd, anyone who disagrees with you is a Russian agent? You can't be any more of an ten year old Alynsky dolt than to take that approach to discussion.

Tell us all about the individual who said this, for example, what are the associations and so forth that make you doubt the information? What region is he from? How long has he been an MP? And so on.

10 posted on 08/08/2014 10:35:52 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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Until I see you whining about posts from Ukrainform...

When you can post a list like the following against any of those sources, I'll take your BS seriously:

Russia Today Features an "expert" who claims that the Vatican is stealing the world's gold, and that Francis is just a for-show Pope, and that the real Pope is an alien who looks something like the coneheads:

http://www.interpretermag.com/karen-hudes-rts-whistleblower-who-believes-world-bank-controlled-by-second-species/

Russia Today pushes 9/11 Truther lies:

http://rt.com/usa/911-attack-job/

Russia Today Loses another journalist because all they do is lie. "We're lying every single day," she says:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/18/malaysia-airlines-russian-reporter-quits/12847251/

Russian media claims Ukrainians crucified a baby:

http://www.stopfake.org/en/the-crucifixion-of-a-3-year-old-the-u-s-helped-kiev-shoot-down-flight-17-and-other-tales-the-kremlin-media-tell/

Russian media edits a Ukrainian journalist interview to make it sound as if he wanted a million Russians to be killed.

http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-with-the-help-of-video-editing-ukrainian-journalist-said-that-1-5-million-residents-of-donbas-should-be-killed/

11 posted on 08/08/2014 10:39:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Rashputin
Someone who one day says Ukrainian MPs are saints who threw off the yoke of evil and the next slanders any of them who deviate from the Kiev party line is too dim a bulb to discuss real-world issues.

Speaking of evil, you have told me twice that you believe all Muslims, regardless if they are Pro-American Kurds, the guy running the gas station, or an ISIS member, need to be placed into concentration camps.

I got something on all you piles of Neo-Soviet crap who post on FR.

12 posted on 08/08/2014 10:40:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Geez, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make em' drink.

1) I believe all Muzzies should be carefully watched and predominantly Muzzie areas should have more than the usual security along with a dusk to dawn curfew, that's absolutely correct if you're talking about any Western nation or Asian nation not already a Muzzie country.

Talk exceptions all you like once things are under control but if you don't start with a rule that localizes Iz Lame BS, those exceptions, their wives, and their children, will all be just as dead as the exceptions being beheaded by their fellow Muzzies in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan, and so on. You like the idea of allowing lethal infections to spread, I like the idea of quarantine.

You're all in favor of and cheering on the murder of half of Ukraine, men, women, and children, if that's what it takes for the Kiev Coup to stay in control but take me to task for seeing Muzzies as a whole as a threat? Interesting indeed and so very, very, Muzzie of you. The true faith or die, huh?

2) you never answer questions, you just post more attempts to change the subject

13 posted on 08/08/2014 10:57:30 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
2) you never answer questions, you just post more attempts to change the subject

You're a crazy person. Who cares what your subject is when I should just insult you like the vile lunatic you are? You should be put in the zoo or displayed in a circus, you Putinista bootlicker.

14 posted on 08/08/2014 11:00:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

There you go, back on track with your usual imbecile love poetry


15 posted on 08/08/2014 11:01:30 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Rash, if you don’t feed the trolling hypocrite GPH, it will eventually just go away, like most spoiled children do.


16 posted on 08/08/2014 11:03:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“I got something on all you piles of Neo-Soviet crap who post on FR”

Whattaya gonna do?
Report us to the Ukrainian SBU?
The IRS?
Your buddies at EuromaidanPR?

Now really, you are such an angry hypocrite, aren’t you.

Now, I’ll ask you again, do you have anything to add to the discussion? Or are you just trying to silence opposition by getting this thread deleted for “infighting”?


17 posted on 08/08/2014 11:05:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; Rashputin

Keep it up ya Russkie scumbags. The more you vomit up stuff on FR, the more people realize that Russia hasn’t changed much since the great lying days of the Soviet Union. Lying is a policy and an art form for the KGB thugs, and you two idiots are so transparent you make an anti-Communist’s life very easy.


18 posted on 08/08/2014 11:08:00 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Be sure to give your lover Yarosh a kiss for us, K?


19 posted on 08/08/2014 11:20:30 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Is this the guy who was Vice Prime Minister in 2010?

If so, wasn't he tight with the Euromaidan people at least until the coup?

20 posted on 08/08/2014 11:24:03 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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